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Them Or Us
Released October 1984
See also: IINK,Patio,KUR Them Or Us (The Book) Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo Specialized Digital Audio Gratification

Players

Frank Zappa (guitar & vocals)
Ray White, Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, George Duke, Bobby Martin, Roy Estrada (vocals, harmony)
Tommy Mars (keyboards)
Arthur Barrow (bass)
Chad Wackerman (drums)
Scott Thunes (bass)
Ed Mann (percussion)
Steve Vai (stunt guitar, guitar solo on "Ya Hozna" and first guitar solo on "Stevie's Spanking")
Ray White (rhythm guitar)
Bobby Martin (keyboards, harmonica)
Dweezil Zappa (guitar solo on "Sharleena" and second guitar solo on "Stevie's Spanking")
Patrick O'Hearn (bass on "Planet Of My Dreams")
Thana Harris (harmony on "Planet Of My Dreams")
George Duke (piano on "Planet Of My Dreams")
Brad Cole (piano on "Be In My Video")

Tracks

LP

Side One

The Closer You Are (2:58)
In France (3:30)
Ya Hozna (6:26)
Sharleena (4:33)

Side Two

Sinister Footwear II (8:40)
Truck Driver Divorce (9:03)

Side Three

Side Four

Current CD

Release Notes

Liner Notes

Background Information

Cover painting by Donald Roller Wilson.
In the film A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985) a poster of the album Them Or Us can be seen hanging on a wall.

Screenshot from "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2"

Conceptual Continuity

Versions

ZFT #	Version #	# discs	Format	Catalog #	Release (YYYY-MM-DD)	Barcode (EAN-13)	Comment
40	1.1 Original Stereo	2	LP	Barking Pumpkin SVBO-74200	1984-10-18	None	US edition. Matrix # Side1: SVBO-74200-AS¹ #1 ~~BPR 2 9432~~ AS¹ SLM jm Δ7194 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0 Side2: Side #2 SVBO-74200-BS¹ ~~2 BPR 2 9432~~ BS¹ #2 SLM jm Δ7194-X 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0 Side3: SVBO-74200-CS² #1 ~~BPR 2 9432~~-CS² SLMΔ7195 jm 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0 Side4: SVBO-74200-DS¹ #1 ~~BPR 2 9432-DS¹~~ jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0
		1	CS	Barking Pumpkin 4XVBO-74200	1984	None	US edition, XDR. 4XBO-74200 on the tape.
		2	LP	EMI 2402343	1984-10^[1]		UK edition.
		2	CS	EMI FZDTC 1 EN 24 0234 5	1984		UK edition, XDR.
		1	CS	EMI 1C 464 24 0234 9	1984	5099924023498	German edition, XDR.
		1	CS	EMI 2402349	1984-10?	5099924023498	French edition.
		2	LP	EMI EMS-67176•77			Japanese edition.
		1	CD	Rykodisc RCD 40027	1986	0014431002724 (not printed)	US edition, DDD. Matrix # 818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9
		1	CD	EMI CDP 7-90080-2	1986	0077779008025	UK edition.
	Unknown	2	LP	Zappa ZAPPA 30	1990?	5016583603014	UK edition.
	Unknown	1	CS	Zappa TZAPPA 30	1990?	5016583603045	UK edition.
	1.2 Slightly lower quality master, but track 12 is longer	1	CD	Zappa CDZAP 30	1990-09-01	5016583603021	UK edition, DDD. Matrix # ZAP CD 30 MPO 04 @@
	1.1 Original Stereo	1	CD	VideoArts VACK 5046	1994-11-25	4988112405868	Japanese edition.
	1.2 Slightly lower quality master, but track 12 is longer	1	CD	Rykodisc RCD 10543	1995-05-02	0014431054327	US edition. Matrix # IFPI 2U7E WEA mfg. OLYPHANT ifpi L90? Y12049 A4 P2 310543-2 01 M1S1
		1	CD	VideoArts VACK 5131	1995-10-25	4988112407909	Japanese edition.
		1	CD	VideoArts VACK 5151	1995-11-25	4988112408029	Japanese edition.
		1	CD	VideoArts VACK 5266	1996-05-30	4988112408661	Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD 10543 repackaged with an obi strip and extra liner notes in Japanese
		1	CD	VideoArts VACK 1255	2002-10-23	4988112413542	Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve.
	1.1a 2012 Remaster Original Stereo	1	CD	Zappa/UMe ZR 3870	2012-09-25	0824302387023	US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe^[2].
	1.1a 2012 Remaster Original Stereo	1	CD	Zappa/UMG Intl 0238702	2012-09-25	0824302387023	EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR 3870, manufactured in Germany. Matrix # 4 x Universal logo IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117

Notes

↑ Martin C. Strong, 2004, The Great Rock Discography, p. 1723.
↑ Email announcement by the ZFT on July 31^st, 2012.

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@@ Line 8: / Line 8: @@
      Name           = Them Or Us |
      Released       = October 1984 |
-     Related        = See also:<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]] |
+     Related        = See also:<br>{{IINKLink|lyrics/Them_Or_Us.html}},{{ZPLink|vinylvscds/them-or-us.html}},{{KURLink|fz-discography/them-or-us}}<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]<br>[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]]<br>[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]] |
 }}
 </div>
 ==Players==
-*[[Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals)
+*[[Biography|Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals)
 *[[Ray White]], [[Ike Willis]], [[Napoleon Murphy Brock]], [[George Duke]], [[Bobby Martin]], [[Roy Estrada]] (vocals, harmony)
 *[[Tommy Mars]] (keyboards)
@@ Line 27: / Line 28: @@
 *[[Thana Harris]] (harmony on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 *[[George Duke]] (piano on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
+*[[Brad Cole]] (piano on "[[Be In My Video]]")
 ==Tracks==
@@ Line 51: / Line 53: @@
 '''Side Four'''
 #[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
-#[[The Black Page|Them Or Us]] (5:08)
+#[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:08)
 #[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:46)
 #[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
@@ Line 67: / Line 69: @@
 #[[Planet Of My Dreams]] (1:37)
 #[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
-#[[The Black Page|Them Or Us]] (5:23)
+#[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:23)
 #[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:42)
 #[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
@@ Line 74: / Line 76: @@
 ==Release Notes==
 ==Liner Notes==
 ==Background Information==
-Cover painting by [[Donald Roller Wilson]]
+{|style="width: 100%"
+| valign="top" | Cover painting by [[Donald Roller Wilson]].<br>In the film [[wikipedia: A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge|A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge]] (1985) a poster of the album ''[[Them Or Us]]'' can be seen hanging on a wall.
+| [[Image:Nightmare on Elm Street - Them or US.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Screenshot from "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2"]]
+|}
 ==Conceptual Continuity==
@@ Line 82: / Line 94: @@
 {| {{Versions Table Header}}
-| rowspan=14 align="center" | 40
+| rowspan="20" align="center" | 40
-| rowspan=5 align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>[[Wikipedia:Stereophonic sound|Stereo]]'''
+| rowspan="9" align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>[[wikipedia:Stereophonic sound|Stereo]]'''
 | align="center" | 2
-| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Long playing record|LP]]
+| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Long playing record|LP]]
-| [[Barking Pumpkin]]<br>SVBO-74200
+| [[Barking Pumpkin Records|Barking Pumpkin]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8333614|SVBO-74200}}
 | 1984-10-18
 | None
@@ Line 103: / Line 115: @@
 <s>BPR 2 9432-DS<sup>1</sup></s><br>
 jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0
+|-
+| align="center" | 1
+| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact audio cassette|CS]]
+| Barking Pumpkin<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|19387195|4XVBO-74200}}
+| 1984
+| None
+| &nbsp;
+| US edition, [[wikipedia:XDR (audio)|XDR]]. 4XBO-74200 on the tape.
 |-
 | align="center" | 2
 | align="center" | LP
-| [[EMI Records|EMI]]<br>2402439
+| [[EMI]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5139057|2402343}}
-| 1984?
+| 1984-10<ref name="MStrong">Martin C. Strong, 2004, ''The Great Rock Discography'', p. 1723.</ref>
 | &nbsp;
 | &nbsp;
 | UK edition.
+|-
+| align="center" | 2
+| align="center" | CS
+| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|17752393|FZDTC&nbsp;1&nbsp;EN&nbsp;24&nbsp;0234&nbsp;5}}
+| 1984
+| &nbsp;
+| &nbsp;
+| UK edition, [[wikipedia:XDR_(audio)|XDR]].
+|-
+| align="center" | 1
+| align="center" | CS
+| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8335973|1C&nbsp;464&nbsp;24&nbsp;0234&nbsp;9}}
+| 1984
+| 5099924023498
+| &nbsp;
+| German edition, XDR.
+|-
+| align="center" | 1
+| align="center" | CS
+| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|852764|2402349}}
+| 1984-10?
+| 5099924023498
+| &nbsp;
+| French edition.
 |-
 | align="center" | 2
 | align="center" | LP
-| EMI<br>EMS-67176•77
+| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|4439248|EMS-67176•77}}
 | &nbsp;
 | &nbsp;
@@ Line 121: / Line 165: @@
 |-
 | align="center" | 1
-| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Compact disc|CD]]
+| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact disc|CD]]
-| [[Rykodisc]]<br>RCD 40027
+| [[Rykodisc]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|445524|RCD&nbsp;40027}}
 | 1986
-| 0014431002724
+| 0014431002724<br>(not printed)
 | &nbsp;
-| US edition, [[Wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix #<br>818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9
+| US edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix #<br>818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9
 |-
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| EMI<br>CDP 7-90080-2
+| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5383625|CDP&nbsp;7-90080-2}}
 | 1986
-| 0077779008025?
+| 0077779008025
 | &nbsp;
 | UK edition.
@@ Line 139: / Line 183: @@
 | align="center" | 2
 | align="center" | LP
-| [[Zappa Records|Zappa]]<br>ZAPPA 30
+| [[Zappa Records|Zappa]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|629232|ZAPPA&nbsp;30}}
 | 1990?
-| 5016583603014?
+| 5016583603014
 | &nbsp;
 | UK edition.
 |-
 | align="center" | 1
-| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Compact audio cassette|CS]]
+| align="center" | CS
-| Zappa<br>TZAPPA 30
+| Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|6970402|TZAPPA&nbsp;30}}
 | 1990?
-| 5016583603045?
+| 5016583603045
 | &nbsp;
 | UK edition.
 |-
-| rowspan=1 align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>[[Wikipedia:Remaster|master]],<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
+| align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>[[wikipedia:Remaster|master]],<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| Zappa<br>CDZAP 30
+| Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|1380288|CDZAP&nbsp;30}}
 | 1990-09-01
 | 5016583603021
 | &nbsp;
-| UK edition.
+| UK edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix # ZAP&nbsp;CD&nbsp;30 MPO 04 @@
 |-
-| rowspan=1 align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>Stereo'''
+| align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>Stereo'''
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| [[VideoArts]]<br>VACK 5046
+| [[VideoArts]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|14146582|VACK&nbsp;5046}}
 | 1994-11-25
 | 4988112405868
@@ Line 171: / Line 215: @@
 | Japanese edition.
 |-
-| rowspan=5 align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
+| rowspan="5" align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| Rykodisc<br>RCD 10543
+| Rykodisc<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|368565|RCD&nbsp;10543}}
 | 1995-05-02
 | 0014431054327
@@ Line 182: / Line 226: @@
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| VideoArts<br>VACK 5131
+| VideoArts<br>VACK&nbsp;5131
 | 1995-10-25
 | 4988112407909
@@ Line 190: / Line 234: @@
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| VideoArts<br>VACK 5151
+| VideoArts<br>VACK&nbsp;5151
 | 1995-11-25
 | 4988112408029
@@ Line 198: / Line 242: @@
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| VideoArts<br>VACK 5266
+| VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|15267241|VACK&nbsp;5266}}
 | 1996-05-30
 | 4988112408661
 | &nbsp;
-| Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD 10543 repackaged with an [[wikipedia:obi strip|obi strip]] and extra liner notes in Japanese
+| Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD&nbsp;10543 repackaged with an [[wikipedia:obi strip|obi strip]] and extra liner notes in Japanese
 |-
 | align="center" | 1
 | align="center" | CD
-| VideoArts<br>VACK 1255
+| VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3151772|VACK&nbsp;1255}}
 | 2002-10-23
 | 4988112413542
 | &nbsp;
 | Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve.
+|-
+| rowspan="2" align="center" | 1.1a<br>2012 Remaster<br>Original Stereo
+| align="center" | 1
+| align="center" | CD
+| Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMe]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3941361|ZR&nbsp;3870}}
+| 2012-09-25
+| 0824302387023
+| &nbsp;
+| US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe<ref name="ZFTEmail">Email announcement by the [[Zappa Family Trust|ZFT]] on July 31<sup>st</sup>, 2012.</ref>.
+|-
+| align="center" | 1
+| align="center" | CD
+| Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMG&nbsp;Intl]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5818875|0238702}}
+| 2012-09-25
+| 0824302387023
+| &nbsp;
+| EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR&nbsp;3870, manufactured in Germany.<br>Matrix # '''4 x Universal logo''' IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117
 |}
+==Notes==
+<references/>
 ==See Also==
 *[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]
+*[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]]
+*[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]]
 [[Category:Discography]]
+[[Category:1984]]
 [[Category:Original Albums]]
 [[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)]]