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     Name          = Them Or Us |
 
     Name          = Them Or Us |
 
     Released      = October 1984 |
 
     Released      = October 1984 |
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     Related        = See also:<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]] |
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     Related        = See also:<br>{{IINKLink|lyrics/Them_Or_Us.html}},{{ZPLink|vinylvscds/them-or-us.html}},{{KURLink|fz-discography/them-or-us}}<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]<br>[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]]<br>[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]] |
 
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</div>
 
</div>
  
 
==Players==
 
==Players==
−
*[[Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals)
+
 
 +
*[[Biography|Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals)
 
*[[Ray White]], [[Ike Willis]], [[Napoleon Murphy Brock]], [[George Duke]], [[Bobby Martin]], [[Roy Estrada]] (vocals, harmony)
 
*[[Ray White]], [[Ike Willis]], [[Napoleon Murphy Brock]], [[George Duke]], [[Bobby Martin]], [[Roy Estrada]] (vocals, harmony)
 
*[[Tommy Mars]] (keyboards)
 
*[[Tommy Mars]] (keyboards)
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*[[Scott Thunes]] (bass)
 
*[[Scott Thunes]] (bass)
 
*[[Ed Mann]] (percussion)
 
*[[Ed Mann]] (percussion)
−
*[[Steve Vai]] (guitar)
+
*[[Steve Vai]] (stunt guitar, guitar solo on "[[Ya Hozna]]" and first guitar solo on "[[Stevie's Spanking]]")
 
*[[Ray White]] (rhythm guitar)
 
*[[Ray White]] (rhythm guitar)
−
*[[Bobby Martin]] (harmonica)
+
*[[Bobby Martin]] (keyboards, harmonica)
−
*[[Dweezil Zappa]] (guitar solo on "[[Sharleena]]")
+
*[[Dweezil Zappa]] (guitar solo on "[[Sharleena]]" and second guitar solo on "[[Stevie's Spanking]]")
 
*[[Patrick O'Hearn]] (bass on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 
*[[Patrick O'Hearn]] (bass on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 
*[[Thana Harris]] (harmony on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 
*[[Thana Harris]] (harmony on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 
*[[George Duke]] (piano on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 
*[[George Duke]] (piano on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]")
 +
*[[Brad Cole]] (piano on "[[Be In My Video]]")
  
 
==Tracks==
 
==Tracks==
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'''Side Four'''
 
'''Side Four'''
 
#[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
 
#[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
−
#[[The Black Page|Them Or Us]] (5:08)
+
#[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:08)
 
#[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:46)
 
#[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:46)
 
#[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
 
#[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
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#[[Planet Of My Dreams]] (1:37)
 
#[[Planet Of My Dreams]] (1:37)
 
#[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
 
#[[Be In My Video]] (3:39)
−
#[[The Black Page|Them Or Us]] (5:23)
+
#[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:23)
 
#[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:42)
 
#[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:42)
 
#[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
 
#[[Whipping Post]] (7:32)
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==Release Notes==
 
==Release Notes==
 +
 
==Liner Notes==
 
==Liner Notes==
 +
 
==Background Information==
 
==Background Information==
 +
 +
{|style="width: 100%"
 +
 +
| valign="top" | Cover painting by [[Donald Roller Wilson]].<br>In the film [[wikipedia: A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge|A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge]] (1985) a poster of the album ''[[Them Or Us]]'' can be seen hanging on a wall.
 +
 +
| [[Image:Nightmare on Elm Street - Them or US.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Screenshot from "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2"]]
 +
 +
|}
 +
 
==Conceptual Continuity==
 
==Conceptual Continuity==
  
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{| {{Versions Table Header}}
 
{| {{Versions Table Header}}
−
| rowspan=13 align="center" | 40
+
| rowspan="20" align="center" | 40
−
| rowspan=4 align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>[[Wikipedia:Stereophonic sound|Stereo]]'''
+
| rowspan="9" align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>[[wikipedia:Stereophonic sound|Stereo]]'''
 
| align="center" | 2
 
| align="center" | 2
−
| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Long playing record|LP]]
+
| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Long playing record|LP]]
−
| [[Barking Pumpkin]]<br>SVBO-74200
+
| [[Barking Pumpkin Records|Barking Pumpkin]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8333614|SVBO-74200}}
 
| 1984-10-18
 
| 1984-10-18
 
| None
 
| None
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<s>BPR 2 9432-DS<sup>1</sup></s><br>
 
<s>BPR 2 9432-DS<sup>1</sup></s><br>
 
jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0
 
jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 1
 +
| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact audio cassette|CS]]
 +
| Barking Pumpkin<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|19387195|4XVBO-74200}}
 +
| 1984
 +
| None
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| US edition, [[wikipedia:XDR (audio)|XDR]]. 4XBO-74200 on the tape.
 
|-
 
|-
 
| align="center" | 2
 
| align="center" | 2
 
| align="center" | LP
 
| align="center" | LP
−
| [[EMI Records|EMI]]<br>2402439
+
| [[EMI]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5139057|2402343}}
−
| 1984?
+
| 1984-10<ref name="MStrong">Martin C. Strong, 2004, ''The Great Rock Discography'', p. 1723.</ref>
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| UK edition.
 
| UK edition.
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 2
 +
| align="center" | CS
 +
| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|17752393|FZDTC&nbsp;1&nbsp;EN&nbsp;24&nbsp;0234&nbsp;5}}
 +
| 1984
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| UK edition, [[wikipedia:XDR_(audio)|XDR]].
 
|-
 
|-
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
−
| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Compact disc|CD]]
+
| align="center" | CS
−
| [[Rykodisc]]<br>RCD 40027
+
| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8335973|1C&nbsp;464&nbsp;24&nbsp;0234&nbsp;9}}
 +
| 1984
 +
| 5099924023498
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| German edition, XDR.
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 1
 +
| align="center" | CS
 +
| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|852764|2402349}}
 +
| 1984-10?
 +
| 5099924023498
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| French edition.
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 2
 +
| align="center" | LP
 +
| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|4439248|EMS-67176•77}}
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| Japanese edition.
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 1
 +
| align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact disc|CD]]
 +
| [[Rykodisc]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|445524|RCD&nbsp;40027}}
 
| 1986
 
| 1986
−
| 0014431002724
+
| 0014431002724<br>(not printed)
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
−
| US edition.
+
| US edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix #<br>818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9
 
|-
 
|-
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| EMI<br>CDP 7-90080-2
+
| EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5383625|CDP&nbsp;7-90080-2}}
 
| 1986
 
| 1986
−
| 0077779008025?
+
| 0077779008025
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| UK edition.
 
| UK edition.
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| align="center" | 2
 
| align="center" | 2
 
| align="center" | LP
 
| align="center" | LP
−
| [[Zappa Records|Zappa]]<br>ZAPPA 30
+
| [[Zappa Records|Zappa]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|629232|ZAPPA&nbsp;30}}
 
| 1990?
 
| 1990?
−
| 5016583603014?
+
| 5016583603014
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| UK edition.
 
| UK edition.
 
|-
 
|-
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
−
| align="center" | [[Wikipedia:Compact audio cassette|CS]]
+
| align="center" | CS
−
| Zappa<br>TZAPPA 30
+
| Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|6970402|TZAPPA&nbsp;30}}
 
| 1990?
 
| 1990?
−
| 5016583603045?
+
| 5016583603045
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| UK edition.
 
| UK edition.
 
|-
 
|-
−
| rowspan=1 align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>[[Wikipedia:Remaster|master]],<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
+
| align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>[[wikipedia:Remaster|master]],<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| Zappa<br>CDZAP 30
+
| Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|1380288|CDZAP&nbsp;30}}
 
| 1990-09-01
 
| 1990-09-01
 
| 5016583603021
 
| 5016583603021
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
−
| UK edition.
+
| UK edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix # ZAP&nbsp;CD&nbsp;30 MPO 04 @@
 
|-
 
|-
−
| rowspan=1 align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>Stereo'''
+
| align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>Stereo'''
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| [[VideoArts]]<br>VACK 5046
+
| [[VideoArts]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|14146582|VACK&nbsp;5046}}
 
| 1994-11-25
 
| 1994-11-25
 
| 4988112405868
 
| 4988112405868
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| Japanese edition.
 
| Japanese edition.
 
|-
 
|-
−
| rowspan=5 align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
+
| rowspan="5" align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer'''
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| Rykodisc<br>RCD 10543
+
| Rykodisc<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|368565|RCD&nbsp;10543}}
 
| 1995-05-02
 
| 1995-05-02
 
| 0014431054327
 
| 0014431054327
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| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| VideoArts<br>VACK 5131
+
| VideoArts<br>VACK&nbsp;5131
 
| 1995-10-25
 
| 1995-10-25
 
| 4988112407909
 
| 4988112407909
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| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| VideoArts<br>VACK 5151
+
| VideoArts<br>VACK&nbsp;5151
 
| 1995-11-25
 
| 1995-11-25
 
| 4988112408029
 
| 4988112408029
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| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| VideoArts<br>VACK 5266
+
| VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|15267241|VACK&nbsp;5266}}
 
| 1996-05-30
 
| 1996-05-30
 
| 4988112408661
 
| 4988112408661
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
−
| Japanese edition.
+
| Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD&nbsp;10543 repackaged with an [[wikipedia:obi strip|obi strip]] and extra liner notes in Japanese
 
|-
 
|-
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | 1
 
| align="center" | CD
 
| align="center" | CD
−
| VideoArts<br>VACK 1255
+
| VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3151772|VACK&nbsp;1255}}
 
| 2002-10-23
 
| 2002-10-23
 
| 4988112413542
 
| 4988112413542
 
| &nbsp;
 
| &nbsp;
 
| Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve.
 
| Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve.
 +
|-
 +
| rowspan="2" align="center" | 1.1a<br>2012 Remaster<br>Original Stereo
 +
| align="center" | 1
 +
| align="center" | CD
 +
| Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMe]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3941361|ZR&nbsp;3870}}
 +
| 2012-09-25
 +
| 0824302387023
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe<ref name="ZFTEmail">Email announcement by the [[Zappa Family Trust|ZFT]] on July 31<sup>st</sup>, 2012.</ref>.
 +
|-
 +
| align="center" | 1
 +
| align="center" | CD
 +
| Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMG&nbsp;Intl]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5818875|0238702}}
 +
| 2012-09-25
 +
| 0824302387023
 +
| &nbsp;
 +
| EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR&nbsp;3870, manufactured in Germany.<br>Matrix # '''4 x Universal logo''' IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117
 
|}
 
|}
 +
 +
==Notes==
 +
 +
<references/>
  
 
==See Also==
 
==See Also==
 +
 
*[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]
 
*[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]
 +
*[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]]
 +
*[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]]
  
 
[[Category:Discography]]
 
[[Category:Discography]]
 +
[[Category:1984]]
 
[[Category:Original Albums]]
 
[[Category:Original Albums]]
 
[[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)]]
 
[[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)]]

Latest revision as of 14:52, 8 November 2022

Album History
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Them Or Us
Released October 1984
See also:
IINK,Patio,KUR
Them Or Us (The Book)
Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo
Specialized Digital Audio Gratification

Players

Tracks

LP

Side One

  1. The Closer You Are (2:58)
  2. In France (3:30)
  3. Ya Hozna (6:26)
  4. Sharleena (4:33)

Side Two

  1. Sinister Footwear II (8:40)
  2. Truck Driver Divorce (9:03)

Side Three

  1. Stevie's Spanking (5:24)
  2. Baby, Take Your Teeth Out (1:24)
  3. Marque-son's Chicken (7:34)
  4. Planet Of My Dreams (1:40)

Side Four

  1. Be In My Video (3:39)
  2. Them Or Us (5:08)
  3. Frogs With Dirty Little Lips (2:46)
  4. Whipping Post (7:32)
Current CD
  1. The Closer You Are (2:55)
  2. In France (3:33)
  3. Ya Hozna (6:27)
  4. Sharleena (4:33)
  5. Sinister Footwear II (8:39)
  6. Truck Driver Divorce (8:59)
  7. Stevie's Spanking (5:24)
  8. Baby, Take Your Teeth Out (1:54)
  9. Marque-son's Chicken (7:34)
  10. Planet Of My Dreams (1:37)
  11. Be In My Video (3:39)
  12. Them Or Us (5:23)
  13. Frogs With Dirty Little Lips (2:42)
  14. Whipping Post (7:32)

Release Notes

Liner Notes

Background Information

Cover painting by Donald Roller Wilson.
In the film A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985) a poster of the album Them Or Us can be seen hanging on a wall.
Screenshot from "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2"

Conceptual Continuity

Versions

ZFT # Version # # discs Format Catalog # Release
(YYYY-MM-DD) 		Barcode
(EAN-13) 		Artwork Comment
40 1.1
Original
Stereo 		2 LP Barking Pumpkin
SVBO-74200 		1984-10-18 None   US edition. Matrix #

Side1: SVBO-74200-AS1 #1
BPR 2 9432 AS1
SLM jm Δ7194 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0
Side2: Side #2 SVBO-74200-BS1
2 BPR 2 9432 BS1 #2
SLM jm Δ7194-X 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0
Side3: SVBO-74200-CS2 #1
BPR 2 9432-CS2
SLMΔ7195 jm 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0
Side4: SVBO-74200-DS1 #1
BPR 2 9432-DS1
jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0

1 CS Barking Pumpkin
4XVBO-74200 		1984 None   US edition, XDR. 4XBO-74200 on the tape.
2 LP EMI
2402343 		1984-10[1]     UK edition.
2 CS EMI
FZDTC 1 EN 24 0234 5 		1984     UK edition, XDR.
1 CS EMI
1C 464 24 0234 9 		1984 5099924023498   German edition, XDR.
1 CS EMI
2402349 		1984-10? 5099924023498   French edition.
2 LP EMI
EMS-67176•77 		      Japanese edition.
1 CD Rykodisc
RCD 40027 		1986 0014431002724
(not printed) 		  US edition, DDD. Matrix #
818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9
1 CD EMI
CDP 7-90080-2 		1986 0077779008025   UK edition.
Unknown 2 LP Zappa
ZAPPA 30 		1990? 5016583603014   UK edition.
1 CS Zappa
TZAPPA 30 		1990? 5016583603045   UK edition.
1.2
Slightly
lower
quality
master,
but track
12 is
longer 		1 CD Zappa
CDZAP 30 		1990-09-01 5016583603021   UK edition, DDD. Matrix # ZAP CD 30 MPO 04 @@
1.1
Original
Stereo 		1 CD VideoArts
VACK 5046 		1994-11-25 4988112405868   Japanese edition.
1.2
Slightly
lower
quality
master,
but track
12 is
longer 		1 CD Rykodisc
RCD 10543 		1995-05-02 0014431054327   US edition. Matrix # IFPI 2U7E WEA mfg. OLYPHANT ifpi L90? Y12049 A4 P2 310543-2 01 M1S1
1 CD VideoArts
VACK 5131 		1995-10-25 4988112407909   Japanese edition.
1 CD VideoArts
VACK 5151 		1995-11-25 4988112408029   Japanese edition.
1 CD VideoArts
VACK 5266 		1996-05-30 4988112408661   Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD 10543 repackaged with an obi strip and extra liner notes in Japanese
1 CD VideoArts
VACK 1255 		2002-10-23 4988112413542   Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve.
1.1a
2012 Remaster
Original Stereo 		1 CD Zappa/UMe
ZR 3870 		2012-09-25 0824302387023   US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe[2].
1 CD Zappa/UMG Intl
0238702 		2012-09-25 0824302387023   EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR 3870, manufactured in Germany.
Matrix # 4 x Universal logo IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117

Notes

  1. ↑ Martin C. Strong, 2004, The Great Rock Discography, p. 1723.
  2. ↑ Email announcement by the ZFT on July 31st, 2012.

See Also

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