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Name = Them Or Us | | Name = Them Or Us | | ||
Released = October 1984 | | Released = October 1984 | | ||
| − | Related = See also:<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]] | | + | Related = See also:<br>{{IINKLink|lyrics/Them_Or_Us.html}},{{ZPLink|vinylvscds/them-or-us.html}},{{KURLink|fz-discography/them-or-us}}<br>[[Them Or Us (The Book)]]<br>[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]]<br>[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]] | |
}} | }} | ||
</div> | </div> | ||
==Players== | ==Players== | ||
| − | *[[Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals) | + | |
| + | *[[Biography|Frank Zappa]] (guitar & vocals) | ||
*[[Ray White]], [[Ike Willis]], [[Napoleon Murphy Brock]], [[George Duke]], [[Bobby Martin]], [[Roy Estrada]] (vocals, harmony) | *[[Ray White]], [[Ike Willis]], [[Napoleon Murphy Brock]], [[George Duke]], [[Bobby Martin]], [[Roy Estrada]] (vocals, harmony) | ||
*[[Tommy Mars]] (keyboards) | *[[Tommy Mars]] (keyboards) | ||
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*[[Scott Thunes]] (bass) | *[[Scott Thunes]] (bass) | ||
*[[Ed Mann]] (percussion) | *[[Ed Mann]] (percussion) | ||
| − | *[[Steve Vai]] (guitar) | + | *[[Steve Vai]] (stunt guitar, guitar solo on "[[Ya Hozna]]" and first guitar solo on "[[Stevie's Spanking]]") |
*[[Ray White]] (rhythm guitar) | *[[Ray White]] (rhythm guitar) | ||
| − | *[[Bobby Martin]] (harmonica) | + | *[[Bobby Martin]] (keyboards, harmonica) |
| − | *[[Dweezil Zappa]] (guitar solo on "[[Sharleena]]") | + | *[[Dweezil Zappa]] (guitar solo on "[[Sharleena]]" and second guitar solo on "[[Stevie's Spanking]]") |
*[[Patrick O'Hearn]] (bass on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | *[[Patrick O'Hearn]] (bass on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | ||
*[[Thana Harris]] (harmony on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | *[[Thana Harris]] (harmony on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | ||
*[[George Duke]] (piano on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | *[[George Duke]] (piano on "[[Planet Of My Dreams]]") | ||
| + | *[[Brad Cole]] (piano on "[[Be In My Video]]") | ||
==Tracks== | ==Tracks== | ||
| − | #[[The Closer You Are]] ( | + | {| cellspacing="30" |
| − | #[[In France]] (03:32) | + | |
| − | #[[Ya Hozna]] ( | + | |valign="top"|<div id="LP"><big>'''LP'''</big></div> |
| − | #[[Sharleena]] ( | + | '''Side One''' |
| − | #[[Sinister Footwear|Sinister Footwear II]] ( | + | #[[The Closer You Are]] (2:58) |
| − | #[[Truck Driver Divorce]] ( | + | #[[In France]] (3:30) |
| − | #[[Stevie's Spanking]] ( | + | #[[Ya Hozna]] (6:26) |
| − | #[[Baby Take Your Teeth Out|Baby, Take Your Teeth Out]] ( | + | #[[Sharleena]] (4:33) |
| − | #[[Marque-son's Chicken]] ( | + | |
| − | #[[Planet Of My Dreams]] ( | + | '''Side Two''' |
| − | #[[Be In My Video]] ( | + | #[[Sinister Footwear|Sinister Footwear II]] (8:40) |
| − | #[[The | + | #[[Truck Driver Divorce]] (9:03) |
| − | #[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] ( | + | |
| − | #[[Whipping Post]] ( | + | '''Side Three''' |
| + | #[[Stevie's Spanking]] (5:24) | ||
| + | #[[Baby Take Your Teeth Out|Baby, Take Your Teeth Out]] (1:24) | ||
| + | #[[Marque-son's Chicken]] (7:34) | ||
| + | #[[Planet Of My Dreams]] (1:40) | ||
| + | |||
| + | '''Side Four''' | ||
| + | #[[Be In My Video]] (3:39) | ||
| + | #[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:08) | ||
| + | #[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:46) | ||
| + | #[[Whipping Post]] (7:32) | ||
| + | |||
| + | |valign="top"|<div id="Current CD"><big>'''Current CD'''</big></div> | ||
| + | #[[The Closer You Are]] (2:55) | ||
| + | #[[In France]] (3:33) | ||
| + | #[[Ya Hozna]] (6:27) | ||
| + | #[[Sharleena]] (4:33) | ||
| + | #[[Sinister Footwear|Sinister Footwear II]] (8:39) | ||
| + | #[[Truck Driver Divorce]] (8:59) | ||
| + | #[[Stevie's Spanking]] (5:24) | ||
| + | #[[Baby Take Your Teeth Out|Baby, Take Your Teeth Out]] (1:54) | ||
| + | #[[Marque-son's Chicken]] (7:34) | ||
| + | #[[Planet Of My Dreams]] (1:37) | ||
| + | #[[Be In My Video]] (3:39) | ||
| + | #[[Them Or Us (The Track)|Them Or Us]] (5:23) | ||
| + | #[[Frogs With Dirty Little Lips]] (2:42) | ||
| + | #[[Whipping Post]] (7:32) | ||
| + | |||
| + | |} | ||
==Release Notes== | ==Release Notes== | ||
| + | |||
==Liner Notes== | ==Liner Notes== | ||
| + | |||
==Background Information== | ==Background Information== | ||
| + | |||
| + | {|style="width: 100%" | ||
| + | |||
| + | | valign="top" | Cover painting by [[Donald Roller Wilson]].<br>In the film [[wikipedia: A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge|A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge]] (1985) a poster of the album ''[[Them Or Us]]'' can be seen hanging on a wall. | ||
| + | |||
| + | | [[Image:Nightmare on Elm Street - Them or US.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Screenshot from "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2"]] | ||
| + | |||
| + | |} | ||
| + | |||
==Conceptual Continuity== | ==Conceptual Continuity== | ||
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{| {{Versions Table Header}} | {| {{Versions Table Header}} | ||
| − | | rowspan= | + | | rowspan="20" align="center" | 40 |
| − | | rowspan= | + | | rowspan="9" align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>[[wikipedia:Stereophonic sound|Stereo]]''' |
| align="center" | 2 | | align="center" | 2 | ||
| − | | align="center" | [[ | + | | align="center" | [[wikipedia:Long playing record|LP]] |
| − | | [[Barking Pumpkin]]<br>SVBO-74200 | + | | [[Barking Pumpkin Records|Barking Pumpkin]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8333614|SVBO-74200}} |
| 1984-10-18 | | 1984-10-18 | ||
| None | | None | ||
| Line 63: | Line 104: | ||
| US edition. [[Matrix Numbers|Matrix #]]<br> | | US edition. [[Matrix Numbers|Matrix #]]<br> | ||
Side1: SVBO-74200-AS<sup>1</sup> #1<br> | Side1: SVBO-74200-AS<sup>1</sup> #1<br> | ||
| − | + | <s>BPR 2 9432</s> AS<sup>1</sup><br> | |
SLM jm Δ7194 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | SLM jm Δ7194 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | ||
Side2: Side #2 SVBO-74200-BS<sup>1</sup><br> | Side2: Side #2 SVBO-74200-BS<sup>1</sup><br> | ||
| − | + | <s>2 BPR 2 9432</s> BS<sup>1</sup> #2<br> | |
SLM jm Δ7194-X 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | SLM jm Δ7194-X 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | ||
Side3: SVBO-74200-CS<sup>2</sup> #1<br> | Side3: SVBO-74200-CS<sup>2</sup> #1<br> | ||
| − | + | <s>BPR 2 9432</s>-CS<sup>2</sup><br> | |
SLMΔ7195 jm 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | SLMΔ7195 jm 1-3 818-PUMPKIN 0<br> | ||
Side4: SVBO-74200-DS<sup>1</sup> #1<br> | Side4: SVBO-74200-DS<sup>1</sup> #1<br> | ||
| − | + | <s>BPR 2 9432-DS<sup>1</sup></s><br> | |
jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0 | jm SLMΔ7195-X 818-PUMPKIN 1-3 0 | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| + | | align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact audio cassette|CS]] | ||
| + | | Barking Pumpkin<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|19387195|4XVBO-74200}} | ||
| + | | 1984 | ||
| + | | None | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | US edition, [[wikipedia:XDR (audio)|XDR]]. 4XBO-74200 on the tape. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| align="center" | 2 | | align="center" | 2 | ||
| align="center" | LP | | align="center" | LP | ||
| − | | [[ | + | | [[EMI]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5139057|2402343}} |
| − | | 1984 | + | | 1984-10<ref name="MStrong">Martin C. Strong, 2004, ''The Great Rock Discography'', p. 1723.</ref> |
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| UK edition. | | UK edition. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 2 | ||
| + | | align="center" | CS | ||
| + | | EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|17752393|FZDTC 1 EN 24 0234 5}} | ||
| + | | 1984 | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | UK edition, [[wikipedia:XDR_(audio)|XDR]]. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| + | | align="center" | CS | ||
| + | | EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|8335973|1C 464 24 0234 9}} | ||
| + | | 1984 | ||
| + | | 5099924023498 | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | German edition, XDR. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| + | | align="center" | CS | ||
| + | | EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|852764|2402349}} | ||
| + | | 1984-10? | ||
| + | | 5099924023498 | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | French edition. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 2 | ||
| + | | align="center" | LP | ||
| + | | EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|4439248|EMS-67176•77}} | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | Japanese edition. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| − | | align="center" | [[ | + | | align="center" | [[wikipedia:Compact disc|CD]] |
| − | | [[Rykodisc]]<br>RCD 40027 | + | | [[Rykodisc]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|445524|RCD 40027}} |
| 1986 | | 1986 | ||
| − | | 0014431002724 | + | | 0014431002724<br>(not printed) |
| | | | ||
| − | | US edition. | + | | US edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix #<br>818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9 |
|- | |- | ||
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | EMI<br>CDP 7-90080-2 | + | | EMI<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5383625|CDP 7-90080-2}} |
| 1986 | | 1986 | ||
| − | | 0077779008025? | + | | 0077779008025 |
| + | | | ||
| + | | UK edition. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" rowspan="2" | Unknown | ||
| + | | align="center" | 2 | ||
| + | | align="center" | LP | ||
| + | | [[Zappa Records|Zappa]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|629232|ZAPPA 30}} | ||
| + | | 1990? | ||
| + | | 5016583603014 | ||
| | | | ||
| UK edition. | | UK edition. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| − | |||
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| − | | align="center" | + | | align="center" | CS |
| − | | | + | | Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|6970402|TZAPPA 30}} |
| 1990? | | 1990? | ||
| − | | 5016583603045 | + | | 5016583603045 |
| | | | ||
| UK edition. | | UK edition. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| − | | | + | | align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>[[wikipedia:Remaster|master]],<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer''' |
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | Zappa<br>CDZAP 30 | + | | Zappa<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|1380288|CDZAP 30}} |
| 1990-09-01 | | 1990-09-01 | ||
| 5016583603021 | | 5016583603021 | ||
| | | | ||
| − | | UK edition. | + | | UK edition, [[wikipedia:SPARS Code|DDD]]. Matrix # ZAP CD 30 MPO 04 @@ |
|- | |- | ||
| − | | | + | | align="center" | '''1.1<br>Original<br>Stereo''' |
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | [[VideoArts]]<br>VACK 5046 | + | | [[VideoArts]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|14146582|VACK 5046}} |
| 1994-11-25 | | 1994-11-25 | ||
| 4988112405868 | | 4988112405868 | ||
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| Japanese edition. | | Japanese edition. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| − | | rowspan=5 align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer''' | + | | rowspan="5" align="center" | '''1.2<br>Slightly<br>lower<br>quality<br>master,<br>but track<br>12 is<br>longer''' |
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | | + | | Rykodisc<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|368565|RCD 10543}} |
| 1995-05-02 | | 1995-05-02 | ||
| 0014431054327 | | 0014431054327 | ||
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| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | VideoArts<br>VACK 5131 | + | | VideoArts<br>VACK 5131 |
| 1995-10-25 | | 1995-10-25 | ||
| 4988112407909 | | 4988112407909 | ||
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| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | VideoArts<br>VACK 5151 | + | | VideoArts<br>VACK 5151 |
| 1995-11-25 | | 1995-11-25 | ||
| 4988112408029 | | 4988112408029 | ||
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| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | VideoArts<br>VACK 5266 | + | | VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|15267241|VACK 5266}} |
| 1996-05-30 | | 1996-05-30 | ||
| 4988112408661 | | 4988112408661 | ||
| | | | ||
| − | | Japanese edition | + | | Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD 10543 repackaged with an [[wikipedia:obi strip|obi strip]] and extra liner notes in Japanese |
|- | |- | ||
| align="center" | 1 | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| align="center" | CD | | align="center" | CD | ||
| − | | VideoArts<br>VACK 1255 | + | | VideoArts<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3151772|VACK 1255}} |
| 2002-10-23 | | 2002-10-23 | ||
| 4988112413542 | | 4988112413542 | ||
| | | | ||
| Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve. | | Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | rowspan="2" align="center" | 1.1a<br>2012 Remaster<br>Original Stereo | ||
| + | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| + | | align="center" | CD | ||
| + | | Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMe]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|3941361|ZR 3870}} | ||
| + | | 2012-09-25 | ||
| + | | 0824302387023 | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe<ref name="ZFTEmail">Email announcement by the [[Zappa Family Trust|ZFT]] on July 31<sup>st</sup>, 2012.</ref>. | ||
| + | |- | ||
| + | | align="center" | 1 | ||
| + | | align="center" | CD | ||
| + | | Zappa/[[Universal Music Group|UMG Intl]]<br>{{DiscogsPicLink|5818875|0238702}} | ||
| + | | 2012-09-25 | ||
| + | | 0824302387023 | ||
| + | | | ||
| + | | EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR 3870, manufactured in Germany.<br>Matrix # '''4 x Universal logo''' IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117 | ||
|} | |} | ||
| + | |||
| + | ==Notes== | ||
| + | |||
| + | <references/> | ||
==See Also== | ==See Also== | ||
| + | |||
*[[Them Or Us (The Book)]] | *[[Them Or Us (The Book)]] | ||
| + | *[[Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo]] | ||
| + | *[[Specialized Digital Audio Gratification]] | ||
[[Category:Discography]] | [[Category:Discography]] | ||
| + | [[Category:1984]] | ||
[[Category:Original Albums]] | [[Category:Original Albums]] | ||
[[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)]] | [[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)]] | ||
Latest revision as of 14:52, 8 November 2022
| Album History | |
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| Released October 1984 | |
| See also: IINK,Patio,KUR Them Or Us (The Book) Thing-Fish/Them or Us Promo Specialized Digital Audio Gratification | |
Players
- Frank Zappa (guitar & vocals)
- Ray White, Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, George Duke, Bobby Martin, Roy Estrada (vocals, harmony)
- Tommy Mars (keyboards)
- Arthur Barrow (bass)
- Chad Wackerman (drums)
- Scott Thunes (bass)
- Ed Mann (percussion)
- Steve Vai (stunt guitar, guitar solo on "Ya Hozna" and first guitar solo on "Stevie's Spanking")
- Ray White (rhythm guitar)
- Bobby Martin (keyboards, harmonica)
- Dweezil Zappa (guitar solo on "Sharleena" and second guitar solo on "Stevie's Spanking")
- Patrick O'Hearn (bass on "Planet Of My Dreams")
- Thana Harris (harmony on "Planet Of My Dreams")
- George Duke (piano on "Planet Of My Dreams")
- Brad Cole (piano on "Be In My Video")
Tracks
LP
Side One
Side Two
Side Three
Side Four
|
Current CD
|
Release Notes
Liner Notes
Background Information
| Cover painting by Donald Roller Wilson. In the film A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge (1985) a poster of the album Them Or Us can be seen hanging on a wall. |
Conceptual Continuity
Versions
| ZFT # | Version # | # discs | Format | Catalog # | Release (YYYY-MM-DD) |
Barcode (EAN-13) |
Artwork | Comment |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 40 | 1.1 Original Stereo |
2 | LP | Barking Pumpkin SVBO-74200 |
1984-10-18 | None | US edition. Matrix # Side1: SVBO-74200-AS1 #1 | |
| 1 | CS | Barking Pumpkin 4XVBO-74200 |
1984 | None | US edition, XDR. 4XBO-74200 on the tape. | |||
| 2 | LP | EMI 2402343 |
1984-10[1] | UK edition. | ||||
| 2 | CS | EMI FZDTC 1 EN 24 0234 5 |
1984 | UK edition, XDR. | ||||
| 1 | CS | EMI 1C 464 24 0234 9 |
1984 | 5099924023498 | German edition, XDR. | |||
| 1 | CS | EMI 2402349 |
1984-10? | 5099924023498 | French edition. | |||
| 2 | LP | EMI EMS-67176•77 |
Japanese edition. | |||||
| 1 | CD | Rykodisc RCD 40027 |
1986 | 0014431002724 (not printed) |
US edition, DDD. Matrix # 818 PUMPKIN RYK-CD40027 SOI01 MADE IN USA. SHAPE OPTIMEDIA INC. .9 | |||
| 1 | CD | EMI CDP 7-90080-2 |
1986 | 0077779008025 | UK edition. | |||
| Unknown | 2 | LP | Zappa ZAPPA 30 |
1990? | 5016583603014 | UK edition. | ||
| 1 | CS | Zappa TZAPPA 30 |
1990? | 5016583603045 | UK edition. | |||
| 1.2 Slightly lower quality master, but track 12 is longer |
1 | CD | Zappa CDZAP 30 |
1990-09-01 | 5016583603021 | UK edition, DDD. Matrix # ZAP CD 30 MPO 04 @@ | ||
| 1.1 Original Stereo |
1 | CD | VideoArts VACK 5046 |
1994-11-25 | 4988112405868 | Japanese edition. | ||
| 1.2 Slightly lower quality master, but track 12 is longer |
1 | CD | Rykodisc RCD 10543 |
1995-05-02 | 0014431054327 | US edition. Matrix # IFPI 2U7E WEA mfg. OLYPHANT ifpi L90? Y12049 A4 P2 310543-2 01 M1S1 | ||
| 1 | CD | VideoArts VACK 5131 |
1995-10-25 | 4988112407909 | Japanese edition. | |||
| 1 | CD | VideoArts VACK 5151 |
1995-11-25 | 4988112408029 | Japanese edition. | |||
| 1 | CD | VideoArts VACK 5266 |
1996-05-30 | 4988112408661 | Japanese edition = Rykodisc RCD 10543 repackaged with an obi strip and extra liner notes in Japanese | |||
| 1 | CD | VideoArts VACK 1255 |
2002-10-23 | 4988112413542 | Japanese edition, mini-album papersleeve. | |||
| 1.1a 2012 Remaster Original Stereo |
1 | CD | Zappa/UMe ZR 3870 |
2012-09-25 | 0824302387023 | US edition, manufactured and distributed by UMe[2]. | ||
| 1 | CD | Zappa/UMG Intl 0238702 |
2012-09-25 | 0824302387023 | EU edition = Zappa/UMe ZR 3870, manufactured in Germany. Matrix # 4 x Universal logo IFPI LV26 08243 023 870-2 01 * 53116299 IFPI 0117 |
