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Salut Maroual, c'est ladoze
La prochaine fois fais moi signe, on se regardera la moustache sur les galets. Dis-moi un peu, tu es l'un des modératuer du wiki jawaka ? Je ne suis pas une star (notamment sur les codes html) mais je pense pouvoir mettre mon grain de sel régulièrement pour enrichir le site. J'ai d'ailleurs une question concernant la page des Bootlegs. J'ai une pile de bootlegs qui ne sont pas sur ce site, mais référencés chez d'autres. Est-ce volontaire de ta part, y a t'il une sélection ? (exemple > le LP Pappa Zappa)
Tiens moi au courant !
ladoze
Maroual - found these "versions" this morning any use to you?
http://www.beatbooks.com/cgi-bin/beatbooks/09978.html?id=yGgKZznj
How much would you pay for that?
http://www.beatbooks.com/cgi-bin/beatbooks/10108.html
Duncan 07:57, 15 Mar 2006 (PST)
Arrgh, the acetate single (Sharleena/Bognor Regis) is already sold, was this you ? I really would like to know what was its price.
I did not know about this second track Bognor Regis. I found interesting stories about it.
The Peaches CD is already referenced in the affz Singles FAQ.
I will keep a picture of these items, thanks for the info.
Maroual 17:34, 16 Mar 2006 (PST)
http://www.duncanmoran.me.uk/Bognor_Regis.mp3
Duncan 02:04, 17 Mar 2006 (PST)
Thanks a lot for this incredible jewel ;-)
Maroual 19:23, 17 Mar 2006 (PST)
Hi, Maroual
Thanks for cleaning up after me and your fine editing. It is much apprecciated and welcome as I am still not too used to editing conventions here.
Hermann 'Propellerkuh' Schindler
Hi Propellerkuh,
Thank YOU for your contributions ;-)
Maroual 01:13, 9 Jan 2007 (PST)
Hi maroual its Propellerkuh. How can I add an article under "Performances", like there is "Ren and Stimpy?" I would like to add an article named "Artopia" where Zappa made a Intro/Signation for an Andre Heller lead yearly institute around 1978(?)
Thanks
Hi Propellerkuh, you just have to put the following text at the end of your article: [[Category:On The Road]] [[Category:Performances]]
You're welcome ;-)
Thanks for your apprecciation of my page. Don't forget to look another page, especially the Romain Gary page, after all, he's is from country, I believe.
Hermann
hi morual
i would like to translate the thing. problem is, then there would exist TWO english versions. I would rather have the original from somwhere on the web, but could not find it anywhere. when there is no orig. to be found, then i will translate it no matter what. but I'd never trust the web translators ...
as it is, the article is not complete just now. there are 4 pages left, but i didnt have time to write them. still looking for a decent OCR prog for mac/my scanner. know one??
best wishes to all
btw, propellerkuh is my home nome de plume, here at the school i am propellerschule ;-), is it okay when i "talk" to you on this here page???
herman
Hi man
thanks again for cleaning up after me. sometimes my eyes get so sore from looking at the screen that I really cant make myself editing further.
additionally I am not really convinced from the idea to wikify each occurence of "Frank Zappa", since it is evident for each visitor to be on a site dealing with Zappa. so I am more concerned to edit the text for better reading and keep up the interest in the text than to be hard-core linking. what do you say? is that acceptable? I dont want to disabuse someone with more patience or better eye-sight.
greetings, Hermann Propellerkuh
De nada.
Regarding the links, I do not consider obvious that the default reader is necessarily looking for Zappa stuff. Actually, this could be anybody randomly Googling around from key words (such as Steve Vai, Maurice Ravel, Pierre Boulez, Edgard Varèse, Jean-Luc Ponty, Whipping Post, Stairway To Heaven), a part of any song heard on the radio without knowing its author, or anything else indirectly connecting here (Wiki projects, GNU tools)... this is the way of Internet. My assuption is that these wiki-links are the best way to bring closer information that would be spread otherwise. This is the reason why I use to put at least a link on each first occurence of a key word/article name. The first Zappa record I bought was The Perfect Stranger because I was looking for something directed by Boulez...
But don't worry, there is no editing rule about this (not yet... ARF! ;) ). I understood that you focus your efforts on bringing content and this is really nice.
Thanks man.
Maroual 08:57, 30 Jan 2007 (PST)
hi maroual
thanx for your answer - understood and okayd; but here's another question: shall we really go on leave "original journalist's writing" as it was in the first place? for example when one did NOT take care and look up the correct writing of - say - "Dinah-Moe Humm" or all the other countless misswritings, just for the reason that they are careless or dont want to spend time and money on proof-reading? I am voting for NO! I will correct some errors when I feel that they are just typos or errors, or when the misspelling does not hint at a special misunderstanding or for sake of trueness to source ...
cu round here, Hermann mailto:propellerq@gmx.at
Hi Maroual
feb 3 2007
can you please answer the following question and maybe discuss it with the KUR ZWJ webmasters? Yesterday I took a subscription at www.rocksbackpages.com, where 56 articles about FZ reside. I downloaded all and edited one ("FZ: Outrage and Invention" by Michael Gray) and placed it here. Do you think that might become a copyright problem? Of course the articels would be displayed with author and magazine, as far they are existent in the first place.
Thanks, Hermann
Hi,
This is not very obvious: reading Wikipedia:Fair use and particularly Wikipedia:Fair Use#Practical effect of fair use defense might be a good starting point. I understand there can be copyright issues by the time somebody can prove such an activity does affect his business. It may sometimes also depend on the size of the articles. If rockbackpages is the only provider of the 56 aforementionned articles, then: yes, this might lead to a copyright issue. I suggest you directly write an email to Barry.
Maroual 10:50, 3 Feb 2007 (PST)
hi maroual
i'm only trying to give something back what the web and KUR offered me in the first place ;-)
i'm checking the "minor edit" check box hoping that i don't get to much lines in the "recent changes page" - keeps it more clearly when looking back at the work of a long day. furthermore: a really big thank goes to people like charles ulrich or the "afka.net-guy" whose pages I am putting on the ZWJ project. THEY were OCRing all these countless pages and HTML-ing them, collecting them back when like me. I have hundreds of pages of magazines and newspapers mostly in German and English waiting for a soon-to-come "OmniPage"-software --- oh my!
work waiting!!
best wishes to all from propellerkuh
Contents
editing conventions
hi maroual
you edited the players list on "FZ meets the MOP" adding an asterisk (*[[Chad Wacker). is that a functional or just optical thing? I'm not asking for beauty but wisdom ;-)
Hermann (Propellerkuh)
Well, it is more optical than functional.
Actually, I do not have enough time on my hands to update the entire history backwards.
This is one of the reasons why I keep making sure that every new update follow nearly the same convention.
Plus it is easier to manage this way with asterisks avoiding to use too much wiki syntax.
In some cases, the Freak Out! article can be used as a reference as it is often updated first.
Hope this answers your question :)
Maroual 04:27, 5 Mar 2007 (PST)
hi
yes please, delete the empty page.
furthermore, the movie "Prager ..." was there in the first place so I did not think of moving it anywhere, besides from being able to do so. but please do so! i'm sure thats a better place to be for the movie.
greetings and hugs
hi maroual
just now I edited the page about T'mershi Duween (The Magazine) but couldn't find the correct Category, if it is there at all ... now I don't know if I should open a Category or if a fanzine belongs someweher else. Please be so kind and do the necessary ...
bye and have fun
Hermann (Propellerkuh, Propellerschule) Schindler
hi again, thanx for the prompt fanzinery. do you think it is too late to site-wise change the name of Alan Zavod to his seemingly real name Allan Zavod? his site. Hermann
Hi, it's never too late. Don't worry, I'm gonna take care of this.
Maroual 15:25, 9 Mar 2007 (PST)
Hi, "#" for official tracks and "*" for plain, unreleased concert tracks? Gee, makes sense, whot?
- Propellerkuh 23:54, 18 Mar 2007 (PDT)
Hello Propellerkuh, nice you mention this because I fell asleep on my couch yesterday evening thus I couldn't start this conversation.
To summarize, I started to remove the songs numbers and timing because I think it is very difficult to speak about delimited tracks as it is the case on a CD.
Actually the songs original order was often assumed from bootlegs. And in several cases a few songs were cut, removed or put in a different order because they were not recorded, lost or because they had to fit on a LP.
Maroual 03:59, 19 Mar 2007 (PDT)
Hi Propellerkuh, could you please look at 88/03/17 Binghamton NY US Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena? and let me know if you agree or not with my last update?
The concerts pages are still young and at some point we may establish a new template when our ideas get mature.
See you later.
Maroual 12:25, 19 Mar 2007 (PDT)
I'm more than happy with your doings. its fun seeing you editing on the same page at the same time like with the liner notes of Francesco Zappa. but my heart skipped a beat when I hit save page and the browser showed nothing but the first line "Francesco Zappa"
- Propellerkuh-ibook 10:14, 21 Mar 2007 (PDT)
Yaa, shit happens sometimes. This might be due to concurrent accesses to the same page. Sorry, I did not see your last update time, I use to be more careful. I also experienced this phenomenon while I was alone.
Maroual 11:44, 21 Mar 2007 (PDT)
no reason to feel sorry, really; when that happens i go back and copy everything from the edit window and save it back, so no harm done. I don't think that I ever checked if someone was chewing on the same page, so let's not get too trippy. fine thing is, that I still keep learning and I feel sorry when I forget something and see that one of you cleans up after me, thank you all. I think zapa jawaka is a really great resource so I try to fill it out. pity is, that there is a horrendous number of information out there where the info is great already and their work has to be transferred into the wiki thing. the globalia.net/donlope site by roman albertos is really up-to date and a very excellent source, I'm sure you know.
thank you all take care and have fun
- Propellerkuh 15:19, 21 Mar 2007 (PDT)
Hi M
This morning I added The Silver Mistress into the "Books about Zappa"-section. I dont know if it is welcome there, because there are a lot of books out there mentioning FZ in a similar way, but there is no REAL Zappa content. On the other hand it is pretty interesting to see how Zappa penetrated each & every realm of our culture, so maybe there should be an additional category somewhere for that concern.
Second: The "Natural phenomenon"-category is accessed via – of all things – "Household" and IMHO that is not a real intuitive way for a person coming from outside the Zappa and/or Wiki Jawaka world. Another example: I found no other place for Lauda Air plane named "Frank Zappa" other than 'Pets & stuff'. Seems a bit ridiculous, but whats more ridiculous than flying in the plane called "Frank Zappa" into a holiday, so that might be the RIGHT place after all! What do the other editors think about that?
- Propellerkuh 00:45, 10 Apr 2007 (PDT)
Well, this is a good question.
I guess that the Category:Zappa Phenomena is obsolete and should be removed.
Maybe we should build a dedicated category for all the stuff in the world that are just citing FZ, named after FZ or have been influenced by FZ in any way.
Yes the Category:Zappa Phenomena should not be placed in Category:Zappa Household, this is weird...
Maroual 07:31, 10 Apr 2007 (PDT)
Sources
Just found this site => http://www.audiophileusa.com/display.cfm?days=9999
Maroual 05:05, 5 October 2007 (PDT)
Bootlegs
Hi Maroual,
Yeah, I wasn't sure if those would fit in with the BTB articles. Thank you for cleaning that up! Also, are you comfortable with expanding the bootleg section? I want to encompass as much material (both common and rare) as possible without turning the category into a confusing hodgepodge. --RocketMartin 09:27, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
Well this is a good question.
Usually most of the people here (Duncan, Prope and Emdebe) would prefer to deal with the songs versions and lyrics issues first. Because each new page containing references to wrongly named songs generates more maintenance rework for the future. And we are not very active on this tough and long task. There are also ongoing discussions about avoiding to flood the regular FZ works/discography under Tributes and Bootlegs pages.
On my side I don't really see any problem to create many many pages about bootlegs, even if I know this task will be long.
Maroual 10:34, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
New Bootlegs sub-section?
Hi Maroual,
Should we set up a separate section for Bootleg Boxed Sets?
Besides Apocrypha, I was thinking of Wiki'ing Mystery Box, with links to all ten LP's included Therein, in the near future.
Thanks for all your help and support! --RocketMartin 17:46, 3 April 2008 (PDT)
Hi RocketMartin,
Indeed Category:Bootlegs is/will be a very vast and various set, however I don't know what are the pros and cons of subcategorizing it. It is always possible to create categories and subcategories, the Zappa Patio have theirs. But I guess that it should be done only when necessary (see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Overcategorization). For instance small categories such as Category:Box Set Albums were created in order to exclude items that cannot fit in Category:Original Albums. I have no answer for now, if this list grows then this question will have more and more sense.
You are right, the Mystery Box article is definitely not an option ;-)
Maroual 07:23, 7 April 2008 (PDT)
Logged in, all fine but no email
Hi, I'm new today.
Logged in ok, made some entries, as you'll note.
Problem is that my Preferences aren't doing what I want. Filled in ok, clicked send myself an email button. Page responded saying mail sent but, hours later no mail. So, I can't tick the contact boxes- especially as I wanted to mail RocketMartin that I had vinyl for sale.
I've checked my mail is working- it's ok. Is this a security/time delay thing? What's the problem?
--Tonefish 09:08, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
Hi,
I did not notice earlier there was an email functionality, maybe it has not been activated by Barry. As a consequence the best way to contact RocketMartin is likely by posting on his talk page.
Maroual 17:15, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
