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Please add the following to the "Some bonus words of explanation" list...
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"A list of people who contributed to FZ's oeuvre - in a non-musical way."
  
* "[[TRFZB (The List)]]" refers to sort-of an "index" for [[The Real Frank Zappa Book]]
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Many bandmembers = musicians also conributed in non-musical ways...<br>
* "[[Them Or Us (The List)]]" refers to sort-of an "index" for [[Them Or Us (The Book)]]
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Many bandmembers = musicians are already tagged as "Supporting Cast"...<br>
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Even the bandmembers category is tagged with "Supporting Cast"...<br>
  
- emdebe
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So, what will it be:
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# The "Supporting Cast" category, contains "everything"?
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# The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "bandmembers"?
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# The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "musicians"?
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# The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "bandmembers" and "musicians"?
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# Something else...
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In my personal view, "bandmembers" are indeed a sub-category of "supporting cast"...<br>
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--[[User:Emdebe|Emdebe]] 06:34, 5 Jun 2005 (PDT)
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Why can't I edit the ToC? --[[User:Ozarkbunnyboy|Ozarkbunnyboy]] 14:29, 8 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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TOC is automatically generated by inserting "categories" in other pages. --[[User:Emdebe|Emdebe]] 02:45, 9 Sep 2007 (PDT)
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Having re-read it, I don't think I made myself clear over in the [[Matt Groening]] discussion- where it started small but grew & shouldn't now be there. Anyway... Maybe my thinking is not on your radar, but I'll do my best to explain what I meant in that (currently un-responded) discussion in another way. Here goes:
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I think it would help if the overall '''Bandmembers/Musicians/Supporting Cast''' hierarchy, (with each chunk containing intro texts) were something like the following, so as to help confused folk like myself;
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'''Category:Bandmembers'''
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This category contains only '''bandmembers''' who have performed directly with FZ in his line-up on '''Tours & Concerts''' or '''Original Albums''', or who have provided their skills on his '''Original Albums''' by other means- such as overdubbing.
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(Note: For '''Musicians''' (or groups) who have NOT appeared in an FZ '''Original Album''' or line-up on his '''Tours or Concerts''', but whose sphere of inclusion shows connections with FZ through other instances such as '''Production''' by him, '''Guesting''' by him or '''Performances of his work in their own right'''., see [link '''Category Musicians''']).
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(indent)'''Sub-category:By Instrument'''
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Drums, Vocals, Violin, Woodwind etc
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'''Category:Musicians'''
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This category contains '''Musicians''' (or groups) who have NOT appeared in an FZ '''Original Album''' or line-up on his '''Tours or Concerts''', but whose sphere of inclusion shows connections with FZ through other instances such as '''Production''' by him, '''Guesting''' by him or '''Performances of his work in their own right'''.
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(Note: For musicians who have supported FZ's original work, rather than the reverse, see link '''Bandmembers''')
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'''Category:Supporting Cast''' (Needs 'jiggling' in intro? Like following...)
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A list of people who contributed to FZ's ouvre in a '''Non-Musical Way'''. Whether they knew it or not. Whether they liked it or not.
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(In some cases they may also be '''musically connected''' to FZ. So, you may find them in (link '''Bandmembers''' or link '''Musicians''') but that is immaterial here.
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For articles to show up here etc, etc
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I think this would help define what's expected of each category and helps someone editing to make a placement choice (or multiple choices) if inserting new material.
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'''PS''': Also, I find the 'Boilerplate' hierarchy of links sequence pops up on the foot on some categories, not others and is it possible to keep it there as I go through the (next 200) scroll?
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Should I shut up? A "Yes" is OK, I won't be offended.

Latest revision as of 19:12, 30 May 2008

"A list of people who contributed to FZ's oeuvre - in a non-musical way."

Many bandmembers = musicians also conributed in non-musical ways...
Many bandmembers = musicians are already tagged as "Supporting Cast"...
Even the bandmembers category is tagged with "Supporting Cast"...

So, what will it be:

  1. The "Supporting Cast" category, contains "everything"?
  2. The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "bandmembers"?
  3. The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "musicians"?
  4. The "Supporting Cast" category, contains everything except "bandmembers" and "musicians"?
  5. Something else...

In my personal view, "bandmembers" are indeed a sub-category of "supporting cast"...
--Emdebe 06:34, 5 Jun 2005 (PDT)


Why can't I edit the ToC? --Ozarkbunnyboy 14:29, 8 Sep 2007 (PDT)


TOC is automatically generated by inserting "categories" in other pages. --Emdebe 02:45, 9 Sep 2007 (PDT)


Having re-read it, I don't think I made myself clear over in the Matt Groening discussion- where it started small but grew & shouldn't now be there. Anyway... Maybe my thinking is not on your radar, but I'll do my best to explain what I meant in that (currently un-responded) discussion in another way. Here goes:

I think it would help if the overall Bandmembers/Musicians/Supporting Cast hierarchy, (with each chunk containing intro texts) were something like the following, so as to help confused folk like myself;

Category:Bandmembers This category contains only bandmembers who have performed directly with FZ in his line-up on Tours & Concerts or Original Albums, or who have provided their skills on his Original Albums by other means- such as overdubbing. (Note: For Musicians (or groups) who have NOT appeared in an FZ Original Album or line-up on his Tours or Concerts, but whose sphere of inclusion shows connections with FZ through other instances such as Production by him, Guesting by him or Performances of his work in their own right., see [link Category Musicians]).

(indent)Sub-category:By Instrument Drums, Vocals, Violin, Woodwind etc

Category:Musicians This category contains Musicians (or groups) who have NOT appeared in an FZ Original Album or line-up on his Tours or Concerts, but whose sphere of inclusion shows connections with FZ through other instances such as Production by him, Guesting by him or Performances of his work in their own right. (Note: For musicians who have supported FZ's original work, rather than the reverse, see link Bandmembers)

Category:Supporting Cast (Needs 'jiggling' in intro? Like following...) A list of people who contributed to FZ's ouvre in a Non-Musical Way. Whether they knew it or not. Whether they liked it or not.

(In some cases they may also be musically connected to FZ. So, you may find them in (link Bandmembers or link Musicians) but that is immaterial here.

For articles to show up here etc, etc

I think this would help define what's expected of each category and helps someone editing to make a placement choice (or multiple choices) if inserting new material.

PS: Also, I find the 'Boilerplate' hierarchy of links sequence pops up on the foot on some categories, not others and is it possible to keep it there as I go through the (next 200) scroll?

Should I shut up? A "Yes" is OK, I won't be offended.