The Trip - Revision history

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Duncan: Possible Summary

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Possible Summary

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Duncan: /* Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show */

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Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show

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 '''The Trip''' was a club established in September 1965 by [[Elmer Valentine]], following the success of his [[Whisky a Go-Go]], in what had once been [[wikipedia:The Crescendo (music venue)|The Crescendo jazz club]].  Zappa listed it as one of the [[Freak Out! Hot Spots]].
-<blockquote>"[[The Action|That]] was the start of the Big Time. Next up the ladder was the [[Whisky a Go-Go|Whisky]], and then '''the Trip''', which was just nirvana." - Frank Zappa - [[The Rolling Stone Interviews Vol. 1]] 1968</blockquote>
+Although only a small (200 capacity) venue it attracted many of the up and coming acts of the day - usually with newly released records or a healthy local following. These would range from locals [[The Byrds]]/[[The Leaves]]/The Mothers to [[wikipedia:Motown|Motown]] acts such as [[Marvin Gaye]]/Temptations/Martha and the Vandellas.
 It was a short lived venture closing in May 1966. During its short existence The Mothers played at The Trip on three occasions:
 *[[65/ Los Angeles CA US The Trip| December 1965 - "Happy Xmas Beat"]]
 *[[66/01 - 02 /31 - 05 Los Angeles CA US The Trip|January 1st - February 5th 1966]]
 *[[66/05/03-05 Los Angeles CA US The Trip|May 3rd (and possibly 4th) 1966]] - see below
 ==Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show==
-[[image:EPI-Trip.jpeg|right|thumb|250px|Poster for The Trip (note the lack of Exploding)]]
+[[image:EPI-Trip.jpeg|right|thumb|500px|Poster for The Trip (note the lack of Exploding)]]
-After performances around New York throughout April [[Andy Warhol]] brought his [[wikipedia:Exploding Plastic Inevitable|Exploding Plastic Inevitable]] mixed-media show featuring [[The Velvet Underground]] to The Trip at the beginning of May 1966 having been booked to perform from the 3rd to the 18th.
+After performances around New York throughout April 1966, [[Andy Warhol]] brought his [[wikipedia:Exploding Plastic Inevitable|Exploding Plastic Inevitable]] mixed-media show featuring [[The Velvet Underground]] to The Trip at the beginning of May 1966 having been booked to perform from the 3rd to the 18th.
 As both The Velvet Underground and The Mothers were signed to MGM and both had a [[Tom Wilson]] produced album about to be released it was seen as a marketing opportunity:
 <blockquote>
-"We got back to L.A. to learn that MGM had organized a special event at The Trip to promote The Velvet Underground and The Mothers of Invention at the start of May" - [[Jimmy Carl Black]]<ref name="JCB">For Mothers Sake:The Memoirs & Recollections of Jimmy Carl Black 1938-2008  (Inkanish Publications 2013)</ref >
+''"We got back to L.A. to learn that MGM had organized a special event at The Trip to promote The Velvet Underground and The Mothers of Invention at the start of May."''- [[Jimmy Carl Black]]<ref name="JCB">For Mothers Sake:The Memoirs & Recollections of Jimmy Carl Black 1938-2008  (Inkanish Publications 2013)</ref >
 </blockquote>
-It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed The Velvet Underground who Zappa had mocked from the stage.<ref>Jimmy Carl Black: "I don't remember Zappa actually putting them down on stage, but he might have. He really disliked the band... I know that I didn't feel that way and neither did the rest of the Mothers." - White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>  Lou Reed despised Zappa calling him “the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>
+It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed [[The Velvet Underground]] who Zappa had mocked from the stage.<ref>Jimmy Carl Black: ''"I don't remember Zappa actually putting them down on stage, but he might have. He really disliked the band... I know that I didn't feel that way and neither did the rest of the Mothers."'' - White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>  [[Lou Reed]] despised Zappa calling him ''“the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."''<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>
-[[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the west coast audience: "We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, succinctly put it: “I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”<ref name="OHP" />
+[[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the West CCoast audience: ''"We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."''<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, succinctly put it: ''“I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”''<ref name="OHP" />
-Musicians in the audience were also less than impressed. Cher, leaving half way through, quipped: "It will replace nothing, except maybe suicide".  David Crosby likened the experience to "eating a banana-nut Brillo pad".<ref>1966: The Year the Decade Exploded By Jon Savage (Faber & Faber 2015)</ref>
+Musicians in the audience were also less than impressed. Cher, leaving half way through, quipped: ''"It will replace nothing, except maybe suicide".  [[David Crosby]] likened the experience to "eating a banana-nut Brillo pad".''<ref>1966: The Year the Decade Exploded By Jon Savage (Faber & Faber 2015)</ref>
-From Jimmy Carl Black's perspective:<blockquote>
+From [[Jimmy Carl Black]]'s perspective:<blockquote>
-"The thinking of the audiences was completely different than those from New York City. They were lukewarmly received."<ref>- White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>
+''"The thinking of the audiences was completely different than those from New York City. They were lukewarmly received."''<ref>- White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>
-“The band seemed kind of strange to us as they were coming from a totally different angle than we were. I talked to Nico and I thought that she was nice and also I talked to Mo the drummer but Lou Reed and John Cale seemed pretty out there.”<ref name="JCB" /></blockquote>
+''“The band seemed kind of strange to us as they were coming from a totally different angle than we were. I talked to Nico and I thought that she was nice and also I talked to Mo the drummer but [[Lou Reed]] and John Cale seemed pretty out there.” - [[Jimmy Carl Black]] <ref name="JCB" /></blockquote>
 [[image:VU-Trip-4-May-66.jpeg|center|thumb|500px|The Velvet Underground at The Trip 4th May 1966 by [[wikipedia:Steve Schapiro|Steve Schapiro]]]]
-[[image:Tripmfq.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Trip signage]]
+[[image:Tripmfq.jpeg|right|thumb|500px|Trip signage]]
-[[image:Triphandbill.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Flyer for the show]]
+[[image:Triphandbill.jpeg|right|thumb|500px|Flyer for the show]]
 The signage and flyers list the [[wikipedia:Modern Folk Quartet|Modern Folk Quartet]] as support.<ref>[[Jim Morrison]] claimed that they were negotiating for The Doors to take over as support</ref> The MFQ were also managed by [[Herb Cohen]] and had played at The Trip regularly; they claim they played as support.  An employee at The Trip claims that The Mothers opened the show on the first night.<ref name="VC">[https://www.human-highway.org/2013velvet-underground-at-the-trip1966 Victoria Cavaleri]</ref>  Jimmy Carl Black claims:
 <blockquote>
-“I think we played three nights there with them at The Trip. About a week after those gigs, we travelled up to Hayward to play at a place called Frenchys<ref name="JCB" />
+''“I think we played three nights there with them at The Trip. About a week after those gigs, we travelled up to Hayward to play at a place called Frenchys."''<ref name="JCB" />
 </blockquote>
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 After the opening show, with a celebrity filled audience, audience numbers declined significantly:
-"The line for the second show circled the block but the customers leaving started warning people not to go in.  They said the show was vulgar and violent.  The line got smaller and smaller until only a handful of people remained." <ref name="VC"/>
+''"The line for the second show circled the block but the customers leaving started warning people not to go in.  They said the show was vulgar and violent.  The line got smaller and smaller until only a handful of people remained."'' <ref name="VC"/>
-The Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show was shut down on the 6th of May after the wife of one of the operators sued in the L.A. Superior Court to obtain $21,000 allegedly overdue on a promissory note, resulting in a sheriff’s office  representative being posted to enforce a writ of attachment and/or charges of obscenity due to the sadomasochistic nature of the show<ref>"Gerard and Mary acted out our sexual S & M rituals - he licked her boot, she made a show of whippping him - and Gerard panotmimed injecting a drug with a huge toy syringe, but that's all it was: an act. However, the police said that their dances were pornographic, and Lou's lyrics were pornographic. Gimme a break!" - [https://werksman.home.xs4all.nl/cale/bio/1966.html John Cale]</ref>. The closure meant the Velvet Underground claiming over $3000 contractually due to them.<ref>Strip’s Trip Hit by 3G Pay Claim As Club Shutters, Variety, May 17, 1966</ref> Neither Jimmy Carl Black or Zappa refer to being there as it closed. In an interview later that year Zappa barely acknowledges it:
+The Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show was shut down on the 6th of May after the wife of one of the operators sued in the L.A. Superior Court to obtain $21,000 allegedly overdue on a promissory note, resulting in a sheriff’s office  representative being posted to enforce a writ of attachment and/or charges of obscenity due to the sadomasochistic nature of the show<ref>''"Gerard and Mary acted out our sexual S & M rituals - he licked her boot, she made a show of whippping him - and Gerard panotmimed injecting a drug with a huge toy syringe, but that's all it was: an act. However, the police said that their dances were pornographic, and Lou's lyrics were pornographic. Gimme a break!"'' - [https://werksman.home.xs4all.nl/cale/bio/1966.html John Cale]</ref>. The closure meant [[The Velvet Underground]] claiming over $3000 contractually due to them.<ref>Strip’s Trip Hit by 3G Pay Claim As Club Shutters, Variety, May 17, 1966</ref> Neither Jimmy Carl Black or Zappa refer to being there as it closed. In an interview later that year Zappa barely acknowledges it:
 <blockquote>
-"We came back and worked ahh, with Andy Warhol at the Trip. The show that closed the Trip as they say." [[Don Paulsen interviews FZ|Don Paulsen interviews FZ - December 1966]].
+''"We came back and worked ahh, with [[Andy Warhol]] at the Trip. The show that closed the Trip as they say."'' [[Don Paulsen interviews FZ|Don Paulsen interviews FZ - December 1966]].
 </blockquote>
 To summarise:  The Mothers return to LA to learn that they are, unexpectedly, doing a special show at The Trip with the Velvet Underground. Probably down to some Cohen/MGM manoeuvres.<ref>The Velvet Underground would soon claim that Cohen had used his influence to ensure that The Mothers album was released first so as to maximise its impact.</ref>  They played the opening show on the 3rd - probably the early and late show. The MFQ were probably the support on the 4th/5th.  Mothers probably travelling to Frenchys on the 5th. The show is shut down on the 6th. Probably.
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 '''The Trip''' was a club established in September 1965 by [[Elmer Valentine]], following the success of his [[Whisky a Go-Go]], in what had once been [[wikipedia:The Crescendo (music venue)|The Crescendo jazz club]].  Zappa listed it as one of the [[Freak Out! Hot Spots]].
 <blockquote>"[[The Action|That]] was the start of the Big Time. Next up the ladder was the [[Whisky a Go-Go|Whisky]], and then '''the Trip''', which was just nirvana." - Frank Zappa - [[The Rolling Stone Interviews Vol. 1]] 1968</blockquote>
 Although only a small (200 capacity) venue it attracted many of the up and coming acts of the day - usually with newly released records or a healthy local following. These would range from locals The Byrds/The Leaves/The Mothers to [[wikipedia:Motown|Motown]] acts such as Marvin Gaye/Temptations/Martha and the Vandellas.
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 *[[66/01 - 02 /31 - 05 Los Angeles CA US The Trip|January 1st - February 5th 1966]]
 *[[66/05/03-05 Los Angeles CA US The Trip|May 3rd (and possibly 4th) 1966]] - see below
 ==Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show==
 [[image:EPI-Trip.jpeg|right|thumb|250px|Poster for The Trip (note the lack of Exploding)]]
 After performances around New York throughout April [[Andy Warhol]] brought his [[wikipedia:Exploding Plastic Inevitable|Exploding Plastic Inevitable]] mixed-media show featuring [[The Velvet Underground]] to The Trip at the beginning of May 1966 having been booked to perform from the 3rd to the 18th.

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-'''The Trip''' was a club opened by [[Elmer Valentine]] in September 1965 following the success of his [[Whisky a Go-Go]]. Zappa listed it as one of the [[Freak Out! Hot Spots]]. It was a short lived venture closing in May 1966.
+'''The Trip''' was a club established in September 1965 by [[Elmer Valentine]], following the success of his [[Whisky a Go-Go]], in what had once been [[wikipedia:The Crescendo (music venue)|The Crescendo jazz club]].  Zappa listed it as one of the [[Freak Out! Hot Spots]].
 <blockquote>"[[The Action|That]] was the start of the Big Time. Next up the ladder was the [[Whisky a Go-Go|Whisky]], and then '''the Trip''', which was just nirvana." - Frank Zappa - [[The Rolling Stone Interviews Vol. 1]] 1968</blockquote>
-During its short existence The Mothers played at The Trip  on three occasions:
+Although only a small (200 capacity) venue it attracted many of the up and coming acts of the day - usually with newly released records or a healthy local following. These would range from locals The Byrds/The Leaves/The Mothers to [[wikipedia:Motown|Motown]] acts such as Marvin Gaye/Temptations/Martha and the Vandellas.
 *[[65/ Los Angeles CA US The Trip| December 1965 - "Happy Xmas Beat"]]

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 [[image:Tripmfq.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Trip signage]]
 [[image:Triphandbill.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Flyer for the show]]
-The Mothers do not seem to have been booked for the whole event as signage and flyers list the [[wikipedia:Modern Folk Quartet|Modern Folk Quartet]] as support.<ref>[[Jim Morrison]] claimed that they were negotiating for The Doors to take over as support</ref> The MFQ were also managed by [[Herb Cohen]] and had played at The Trip regularly; they claim they played as support.  An employee at The Trip claims that The Mothers opened the show on the first night.<ref name="VC">[https://www.human-highway.org/2013velvet-underground-at-the-trip1966 Victoria Cavaleri]</ref>  Jimmy Carl Black claims:
+The signage and flyers list the [[wikipedia:Modern Folk Quartet|Modern Folk Quartet]] as support.<ref>[[Jim Morrison]] claimed that they were negotiating for The Doors to take over as support</ref> The MFQ were also managed by [[Herb Cohen]] and had played at The Trip regularly; they claim they played as support.  An employee at The Trip claims that The Mothers opened the show on the first night.<ref name="VC">[https://www.human-highway.org/2013velvet-underground-at-the-trip1966 Victoria Cavaleri]</ref>  Jimmy Carl Black claims:
 <blockquote>
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 "We came back and worked ahh, with Andy Warhol at the Trip. The show that closed the Trip as they say." [[Don Paulsen interviews FZ|Don Paulsen interviews FZ - December 1966]].
 </blockquote>
 ==Notes==

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 ==Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show==
-[[image:EPI-Trip.jpeg|right|thumb|200px|Poster for The Trip (note the lack of Exploding)]]
+[[image:EPI-Trip.jpeg|right|thumb|250px|Poster for The Trip (note the lack of Exploding)]]
 After performances around New York throughout April [[Andy Warhol]] brought his [[wikipedia:Exploding Plastic Inevitable|Exploding Plastic Inevitable]] mixed-media show featuring [[The Velvet Underground]] to The Trip at the beginning of May 1966 having been booked to perform from the 3rd to the 18th.
-As both The Velvet Underground and The Mothers were signed to MGM and both had an album about to be released it was seen as a marketing opportunity:
+As both The Velvet Underground and The Mothers were signed to MGM and both had a [[Tom Wilson]] produced album about to be released it was seen as a marketing opportunity:
 <blockquote>
 "We got back to L.A. to learn that MGM had organized a special event at The Trip to promote The Velvet Underground and The Mothers of Invention at the start of May" - [[Jimmy Carl Black]]<ref name="JCB">For Mothers Sake:The Memoirs & Recollections of Jimmy Carl Black 1938-2008  (Inkanish Publications 2013)</ref >
 </blockquote>
-It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed The Velvet Underground who Zappa had mocked from the stage.<ref>Jimmy Carl Black: "I don't remember Zappa actually putting them down on stage, but he might have. He really disliked the band... I know that I didn't feel that way and neither did the rest of the Mothers." - White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>  Lou Reed despised Zappa calling him “the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>  [[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the west coast audience: "We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, concisely put it: “I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”<ref name="OHP" />
+It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed The Velvet Underground who Zappa had mocked from the stage.<ref>Jimmy Carl Black: "I don't remember Zappa actually putting them down on stage, but he might have. He really disliked the band... I know that I didn't feel that way and neither did the rest of the Mothers." - White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>  Lou Reed despised Zappa calling him “the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>
-From Jimmy Carl Blacks perspective:<blockquote>
+[[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the west coast audience: "We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, succinctly put it: “I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”<ref name="OHP" />
 "The thinking of the audiences was completely different than those from New York City. They were lukewarmly received."<ref>- White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>
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 [[image:VU-Trip-4-May-66.jpeg|center|thumb|500px|The Velvet Underground at The Trip 4th May 1966 by [[wikipedia:Steve Schapiro|Steve Schapiro]]]]
 [[image:Tripmfq.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Trip signage]]
 [[image:Triphandbill.jpeg|right|thumb|150px|Flyer for the show]]
-The Mothers do not seem to have been booked for the whole event as signage and flyers list the [[wikipedia:Modern Folk Quartet|Modern Folk Quartet]] as support.<ref>[[Jim Morrison]] claimed that they were negotiating for The Doors to take over as support</ref> The MFQ were also managed by [[Herb Cohen]] and had played at The Trip regularly; they claim they played as support.  An employee at The Trip claims that The Mothers opened the show on the first night.<ref>[https://www.human-highway.org/2013velvet-underground-at-the-trip1966 Victoria Cavaleri]</ref>  Jimmy Carl Black claims:
+The Mothers do not seem to have been booked for the whole event as signage and flyers list the [[wikipedia:Modern Folk Quartet|Modern Folk Quartet]] as support.<ref>[[Jim Morrison]] claimed that they were negotiating for The Doors to take over as support</ref> The MFQ were also managed by [[Herb Cohen]] and had played at The Trip regularly; they claim they played as support.  An employee at The Trip claims that The Mothers opened the show on the first night.<ref name="VC">[https://www.human-highway.org/2013velvet-underground-at-the-trip1966 Victoria Cavaleri]</ref>  Jimmy Carl Black claims:
 <blockquote>
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-The Mothers were booked to play at Frenchys in Hayward, a six hour drive to the north, from the 6th of May.
+The Mothers were booked to play at Frenchys in Hayward, a six hour drive to the north, from the 6th of May for the next two weeks.
-The Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show was shut down on the 6th of May after the wife of one of the operators sued in the L.A. Superior Court to obtain $21,000 allegedly overdue on a promissory note, resulting in a sheriff’s office  representative being posted to enforce a writ of attachment and/or charges of obscenity due to the sadomasochistic nature of the show<ref>"Gerard and Mary acted out our sexual S & M rituals - he licked her boot, she made a show of whippping him - and Gerard panotmimed injecting a drug with a huge toy syringe, but that's all it was: an act. However, the police said that their dances were pornographic, and Lou's lyrics were pornographic. Gimme a break!" - [https://werksman.home.xs4all.nl/cale/bio/1966.html John Cale]</ref>. The closure meant the Velvet Underground claiming over $3000 contractually due to them.<ref>Strip’s Trip Hit by 3G Pay Claim As Club Shutters, Variety, May 17, 1966</ref> Neither Jimmy Carl Black or Zappa refer to being there as it was closed. In an interview later that year Zappa barely acknowledges it:
+The Exploding Plastic Inevitable Show was shut down on the 6th of May after the wife of one of the operators sued in the L.A. Superior Court to obtain $21,000 allegedly overdue on a promissory note, resulting in a sheriff’s office  representative being posted to enforce a writ of attachment and/or charges of obscenity due to the sadomasochistic nature of the show<ref>"Gerard and Mary acted out our sexual S & M rituals - he licked her boot, she made a show of whippping him - and Gerard panotmimed injecting a drug with a huge toy syringe, but that's all it was: an act. However, the police said that their dances were pornographic, and Lou's lyrics were pornographic. Gimme a break!" - [https://werksman.home.xs4all.nl/cale/bio/1966.html John Cale]</ref>. The closure meant the Velvet Underground claiming over $3000 contractually due to them.<ref>Strip’s Trip Hit by 3G Pay Claim As Club Shutters, Variety, May 17, 1966</ref> Neither Jimmy Carl Black or Zappa refer to being there as it closed. In an interview later that year Zappa barely acknowledges it:
 <blockquote>

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 </blockquote>
-It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed The Velvet Underground who Zappa had mocked from the stage. Lou Reed despised Zappa calling him “the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>  [[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the west coast audience: "We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, concisely put it: “I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”<ref name="OHP" />
+It did not go well.  The crowd cheered The Mothers and booed The Velvet Underground who Zappa had mocked from the stage.<ref>Jimmy Carl Black: "I don't remember Zappa actually putting them down on stage, but he might have. He really disliked the band... I know that I didn't feel that way and neither did the rest of the Mothers... The thinking of the audiences was completely different than those from New York City. They were lukewarmly received." - White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day, Jawbone Press</ref>  Lou Reed despised Zappa calling him “the single most untalented person I’ve heard in my life. He’s a two-bit, pretentious academic, and he can’t play rock & roll, because he’s a loser."<ref>Up-Tight. The Velvet Underground Story. (Omnibus Press 1983)</ref>  [[wikipedia:Mary Woronov|Mary Woronov]], a dancer with the EPI show, described the west coast audience: "We weren’t like them at all. They hated us.... They thought we were evil and we thought they were stupid."<ref name ="OHP">Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk (New York: Grove Press, 1996)</ref> Or as Maureen Tucker, The Velvet Underground's drummer, concisely put it: “I didn’t like that love-peace shit.”<ref name="OHP" />
 From Jimmy Carl Blacks perspective:<blockquote>