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Jason.Kreitzer at 21:47, 23 July 2021

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Propellerkuh at 19:06, 13 December 2007

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Fishbrain at 13:02, 12 December 2007

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Maroual at 10:54, 12 December 2007

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Propellerkuh at 04:56, 12 December 2007

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Fishbrain at 00:12, 12 December 2007

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Maroual at 00:36, 11 December 2007

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Fishbrain at 22:56, 10 December 2007

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 I see a lot of potential, and a lot of work... We definitely need "disambiguation pages" ("You Didn't Try To Call Me") that can lead you to the "versions pages"<br>
 *[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Los Angeles)]] as on [[Freak Out!]]
-*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - San Francisco)]] as on [[The MOFO Project/Object]]
+*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - San Francisco)]] as on [[The MOFO Project/Object (Fazedooh)]]
 *[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1967 - Stockholm)]] as on [['Tis The Season To Be Jelly (BTB)|'Tis The Season To Be Jelly]]
 *[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1970 - Paris)]] as on [[Disconnected Synapses (BTB)|Disconnected Synapses]]
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   **[[The Worst Of The Mothers]]
   **[[The Old Masters, Box I]]
-  **[[The MOFO Project/Object]]
+  **[[The MOFO Project/Object (Fazedooh)]]
   **[[The MOFO Project/Object (Deluxe Edition)]]
   ***Instrumental basic backing track included on:
-  ***[[The MOFO Project/Object]]
+  ***[[The MOFO Project/Object (Fazedooh)]]
   ***[[The MOFO Project/Object (Deluxe Edition)]]

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		+	IMHO the main concern of the wiki should be to display FZ's work as clearly as possible. So even when [[Why Don't You Like Me?]] is a version of [[Tell Me You Love Me]] they should have seperate pages featuring on diferent CDs and with hints and links to each other. Fishbrain's idea of HAFDVAPBAMAN (Have As Few Different Versions As Poss... ;-) ) is the thing we all want, without seeming self-indulgent to the outsiders. I think that is possible without Prussian or Faustian rigidity.
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		+	[[User:Propellerkuh\|Propellerkuh]] 11:06, 13 December 2007 (PST)

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-I see where you're coming from, Propellerkuh, but I don't quite agree with you. This "one song - one page" system is basically what we have now. In this system we are running into trouble with songs like [[Why Don't You Like Me]]: Is it a version of [[Tell Me You Love Me]]? Is it a separate song? As I understood it, most people here are against linking every version of a song to one single page (not least because it's bad design to have something like [[Why Don't You Like Me|Tell Me You Love Me]]). But that would be ultimate consequence of your suggestion. We need to have something like an index (or "disambiguation page") for at least some of the songs, so we might as well create a coherent system for the whole wiki. (See also: [[Talk:Trouble_Every_Day]])
+I see where you're coming from, Propellerkuh, but I don't quite agree with you. This "one song - one page" system is basically what we have now. In this system we are running into trouble with songs like [[Why Don't You Like Me?]]: Is it a version of [[Tell Me You Love Me]]? Is it a separate song? As I understood it, most people here are against linking every version of a song to one single page (not least because it's bad design to have something like [[Why Don't You Like Me?|Tell Me You Love Me]]). But that would be ultimate consequence of your suggestion. We need to have something like an index (or "disambiguation page") for at least some of the songs, so we might as well create a coherent system for the whole wiki. (See also: [[Talk:Trouble_Every_Day]])
 I also don't think that this would make the wiki more "bloated". On the contrary: it helps making the articles more clearly arranged, - the same articles that would be quite bloated if we pooled all the different lyrics.

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	[[User:Propellerkuh\|Propellerkuh]]		[[User:Propellerkuh\|Propellerkuh]]
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		+	Yes [[User:Fishbrain\|Fishbrain]], this is exactly what I was meaning. Thanks for having been brainstorming ;-)
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		+	Yes [[User:Propellerkuh\|Propellerkuh]], writing one different page for every smooth variation of the lyrics might represent a huge amount of work and may be pointless in the cases you mentionned. I think I understand your suggestion as:
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		+	[[You Didn't Try To Call Me]] (the main use here is the song title, assuming there is no homonym album)
		+	"Main section" (a sort of TOC or summary)
		+	==Album X==
		+	See <nowiki>[[You Didn't Try To Call Me#1966 - Place A\|1966 - Place A]]</nowiki> for details
		+	==Album Y==
		+	Mixed at Studio X on 01/01/1900
		+	Part A (0:00-1:30): [[You Didn't Try To Call Me#1966 - Place B\|1966 - Place B]]
		+	Solo (1:30-2:00): [[You Didn't Try To Call Me#1966 - Place C\|1966 - Place C]]
		+	Part B (1:30-2:00): [[You Didn't Try To Call Me#1966 - Place B\|1966 - Place B]]
		+	==Alternate Title== instead of [[Alternate Title]] page
		+	See [[You Didn't Try To Call Me#1966 - Place C\|1966 - Place C]]
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		+	"Bottom section"
		+	==1966 - Place A== instead of [[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place A)]] page
		+	musicians
		+	recording details
		+	lyrics
		+	clues
		+	==1966 - Place B== instead of [[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place B)]] page
		+	idem
		+	==1966 - Place C== instead of [[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place B)]] page
		+	idem
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		+	[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]], [[User:Emdebe\|Emdebe]], any opinion on this whole discussion?
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		+	[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 02:54, 12 December 2007 (PST)

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		+	In my opinion that makes the wiki a bit too bloated. Mostly the differences are within a few words ("... watching my TV / watching MTV" in "Trouble Every Day" and some re-titlings. For me it would be better to list the alternate text versions at the bottom of the pages, complete with dates and clues and whatsoever.
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		+	[[User:Propellerkuh\|Propellerkuh]]

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	[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 16:36, 10 December 2007 (PST)		[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 16:36, 10 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	Okay, if I got that right now, you're basically saying:
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		+	[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (disambiguation)]] (disambiguation page)
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Song)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me\|You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Album)]] ''(links to '''You Didn't Try To Call Me''')
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (CC)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Single)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Book)]]
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		+	[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Song)]] (index page for the song versions)
		+	==''Album Name'' / ''Concert Date/Place'' Version==
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place A)]]
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		+	==''Album Name'' / ''Concert Date/Place'' Version==
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place B)]]
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		+	I think that's ok. When we get more feedback on this, I will try my hands on an example page ([[The Grand Wazoo]] maybe).
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		+	--[[User:Fishbrain\|Fishbrain]] 16:12, 11 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	Oops, sorry. I almost agree:
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		+	(1) I finally didn't mean to rename the albums to "xxx (The Album)". In the most common use [[The Grand Wazoo]] is an album so the page with the same name should be the album page.
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		+	(2) There was another difference implied in my previous post. IMO [[You Didn't Try To Call Me (Index)]] is never needed because [[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Song)]] is sufficient to link to every version.
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		+	Usually, in the case there are two completely different songs (or even albums) sharing the same title, people will probably look for one and only one page (see [[Steal This Disc]], [[Mystery Disc]], ).
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		+	I don't mean it would be a perfect and systemic system, there should still be exceptions to it (the [[BTB]] series that have been named after bootlegs, the Au20 discs which have their own page, ...).
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		+	[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 16:36, 10 December 2007 (PST)

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		+	I think there is one fatal flaw in that system: if a) the pages distinguishing between albums and songs of the same name, and b) the pages distinguishing between different versions of the same song, are both called '''"xxx (disambiguation)"''', what are you going to do about the different versions of the song '''"The Grand Wazoo"'''?
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		+	I'd suggest a variation of your previously suggested model:
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		+	[[You Didn't Try To Call Me]] (disambiguation page)
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (Index)\|You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Song)]] ''(links to '''You Didn't Try To Call Me (Index)''')
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Album)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (CC)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Single)]]
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (The Book)]]
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		+	[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (Index)]]
		+	==''Album Name'' / ''Concert Date/Place'' Version==
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place A)]]
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		+	==''Album Name'' / ''Concert Date/Place'' Version==
		+	*[[You Didn't Try To Call Me (1966 - Place B)]]
		+	'''(...)''' ''(I'd suggest only one link per "version" on the index page, and more exhaustive release info on the page for the version itself)
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		+	"The Grand Wazoo" would probably be a better example, but I think you all get the point. :)
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		+	And for everyone who's confused by now: the only difference between this model and the one I suggested before is the fact that now, album pages would have to be renamed to '''"xxx (The Album)"'''.
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		+	--[[User:Fishbrain\|Fishbrain]] 14:56, 10 December 2007 (PST)
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