Talk:Trouble Every Day - Revision history

Jason.Kreitzer at 13:47, 2 November 2021

2021-11-02T13:47:57Z

Maroual at 23:06, 4 December 2007

2007-12-04T23:06:42Z

Fishbrain at 19:07, 4 December 2007

2007-12-04T19:07:07Z

Maroual at 16:33, 4 December 2007

2007-12-04T16:33:58Z

Duncan at 13:42, 4 December 2007

2007-12-04T13:42:24Z

Fishbrain at 13:30, 4 December 2007

2007-12-04T13:30:58Z

Fishbrain: New section: Any agreement?

2007-12-04T13:23:26Z

New section: Any agreement?

Emdebe: Maybe you could explain it to them, nice and easy...

2005-08-14T17:29:03Z

Maybe you could explain it to them, nice and easy...

Duncan at 06:03, 14 August 2005

2005-08-14T06:03:51Z

KillUglyRadio at 14:23, 11 May 2005

2005-05-11T14:23:04Z

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 ===3. One version, one article + disambiguation page===
-Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc sections'''. The difference to (2.) is that each records section would only refer to records on which this '''version of the song''' has appeared. The articles themselves would then have to be linked through the disambiguation page (e.g. in notes: "For other versions of the song, see: [[Trouble Every Day (Disambiguation)]]).
+Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc sections'''. The difference to (2.) is that each records section would only refer to records on which this '''version of the song''' has appeared. The articles themselves would then have to be linked through the disambiguation page (e.g. in notes: "For other versions of the song, see: <nowiki>[[Trouble Every Day (Disambiguation)]]</nowiki>).
 ===4. One version, one article + main article for the song===

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 [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] 05:42, 4 December 2007 (PST)
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-I concur, this is what I was tryin' to do for [[The Grand Wazoo]] too ;-)
+I concur, this is what I was tryin' to do for [[The Grand Wazoo (The Track)]] too ;-)
 [[User:Maroual|Maroual]] 08:33, 4 December 2007 (PST)
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	[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 08:33, 4 December 2007 (PST)		[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 08:33, 4 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	Yes, I also thought that option 3 is perhaps the best solution. What you did with [[You Didn't Try To Call Me]], Duncan, looks good, but it's more what I meant by option 4. If we choose to have disambiguation pages, I think we should keep those pages as short and concise as possible.
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		+	I'd say:
		+	*move "Notes about this song" section to the articles about the versions (each one? only the original one?),
		+	*tag [[You Didn't Try To Call Me]] as a diambiguation page,
		+	*structure each of the song version pages exactly like all the other song pages (e.g. [[Plastic People]])
		+	And then it's perfect.
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		+	One more question though: what exactly qualifies as a "version"? For example, I tried to do something like this for [[RDNZL#Versions of This Song]]. I divided recordings into two versions: the "Lost Episodes version" (and live recordings thereof) and the "Läther version" (and live recordings thereof). In this case I didn't regard live recordings as separate versions if they followed the same formal structure as another version. What do you think? RDNZL on [[Läther]] and RDNZL on [[You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2\|YCDTOSA2]]: different versions, or different takes of the same version?
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		+	--[[User:Fishbrain\|Fishbrain]] 11:07, 4 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	I concur, this is what I was tryin' to do for [[The Grand Wazoo]] too ;-)
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		+	[[User:Maroual\|Maroual]] 08:33, 4 December 2007 (PST)

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		+	I think I lean towards option three. I did try something like this with [[You Didn't Try To Call Me]]. How does that look to you?
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		+	[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 05:42, 4 December 2007 (PST)

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 --[[User:Emdebe|Emdebe]] 10:29, 14 Aug 2005 (PDT)
-== Any agreement? ==
+----
-Have we come to any agreement how we should treat songs with different versions? Basically, we have four options here:
+Have we come to any agreement in this? Basically, I think, we have four options how to treat songs with several versions:
 __NOTOC__
 ===1. One song, one article===
-Group all versions of a song (e.g. [[Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day (Swaggart Version)]]) together to one article, with '''lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc all on one page'''. Since I personally have ben discouraged to do this, I guess this is not the way we want it.
+Group all versions of a song (e.g. [[Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day (Swaggart Version)]]) together to one article, with '''lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc all on one page'''. Since I personally have been discouraged to do this, I guess this is not the way we want it.
 ===2. One version, one article===
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 ===3. One version, one article + disambiguation page===
-Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc sections'''. The difference to (2.) is that each record section would only refer to records on which this version of the song has appeared, while the articles are connected by having a link back to the disambiguation page in each article (e.g. in notes: "For other versions of the song see: [[Trouble Every Day (Disambiguation)]]).
+Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc sections'''. The difference to (2.) is that each records section would only refer to records on which this '''version of the song''' has appeared. The articles themselves would then have to be linked through the disambiguation page (e.g. in notes: "For other versions of the song, see: [[Trouble Every Day (Disambiguation)]]).
 ===4. One version, one article + main article for the song===
-Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual sections for everything that is unique in this version'''. And have one main article with all '''general information about the song and information that all version have in common'''. The difference to (3.) is that we probably wouldn't have individual notes and ccc sections for each article because they will most likely be largely the same for each version of the song. The emphasis here lies on avoiding redundancy.
+Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual sections for everything that is unique in this version'''. And have one main article with all '''general information about the song and information that all versions have in common'''. The difference to (3.) is that we probably wouldn't have individual notes and ccc sections for each article because they will most likely be largely the same for each version of the song. The emphasis here lies on avoiding redundancy, while with (3.) we would probably have quite a lot of duplicate data (especially with songs that have several different versions, but each time with the same lyrics).

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	Just a suggestion.<br>		Just a suggestion.<br>
	--[[User:Emdebe\|Emdebe]] 10:29, 14 Aug 2005 (PDT)		--[[User:Emdebe\|Emdebe]] 10:29, 14 Aug 2005 (PDT)
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		+	== Any agreement? ==
		+
		+	Have we come to any agreement how we should treat songs with different versions? Basically, we have four options here:
		+	__NOTOC__
		+	===1. One song, one article===
		+	Group all versions of a song (e.g. [[Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day]], [[More Trouble Every Day (Swaggart Version)]]) together to one article, with '''lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc all on one page'''. Since I personally have ben discouraged to do this, I guess this is not the way we want it.
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		+	===2. One version, one article===
		+	Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, notes and ccc sections'''. If we do this, I suggest we link the articles through their records sections. "Records On Which This '''Song''' Has Appeared" would then have to look (almost) the same in every article, meaning that each version (and a link to it) is listed in each article (e.g. "[[Roxy & Elsewhere]] as [[More Trouble Every Day]]", "[[The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life]] as [[More Trouble Every Day (Swaggart Version)]]").
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		+	===3. One version, one article + disambiguation page===
		+	Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual lyrics, players, records, notes and ccc sections'''. The difference to (2.) is that each record section would only refer to records on which this version of the song has appeared, while the articles are connected by having a link back to the disambiguation page in each article (e.g. in notes: "For other versions of the song see: [[Trouble Every Day (Disambiguation)]]).
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		+	===4. One version, one article + main article for the song===
		+	Have three separate articles (in above example), each with '''individual sections for everything that is unique in this version'''. And have one main article with all '''general information about the song and information that all version have in common'''. The difference to (3.) is that we probably wouldn't have individual notes and ccc sections for each article because they will most likely be largely the same for each version of the song. The emphasis here lies on avoiding redundancy.
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		+	I think it is not really important which option we choose as long as we have a consistent system for all the articles. Do you agree?
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		+	--[[User:Fishbrain\|Fishbrain]] 05:23, 4 December 2007 (PST)
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		+	There is no track called Trouble Every Day on Roxy. The track that is on Roxy is not about the Watts riots. How are people going to know any of this from this discography?
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		+	[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 23:03, 13 Aug 2005 (PDT)

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	[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 05:57, 11 May 2005 (PDT)		[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 05:57, 11 May 2005 (PDT)
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		+	I'm beginning to think we'll need [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disambiguation disambiguation pages] for almost every song/track...
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		+	- [[User:KillUglyRadio\|KillUglyRadio]] 07:23, 11 May 2005 (PDT)