Talk:Miss Sandra - Revision history

Duncan at 11:59, 31 May 2008

2008-05-31T11:59:31Z

Tonefish: a 'PS': crypt & Frka CC note

2008-05-30T20:30:30Z

a 'PS': crypt & Frka CC note

Tonefish: Response regarding applying caution & thanks

2008-05-30T20:16:49Z

Response regarding applying caution & thanks

Duncan at 16:35, 29 May 2008

2008-05-29T16:35:00Z

Tonefish: basement comment

2008-05-29T15:34:24Z

basement comment

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The 'basement' I had in next to Cal was an editing error-my mistake. But certain I've seen ref like one below (from Leano page) in other articles.

Sandra's Story: Sandra is a native Southern California and she joined "the scene" by hanging out at the Insomniac, a now-defunct coffee shop in Hermosa Beach. She also frequented (with Miss Christine) a similar place called the Intangible Tangerine, where, she says, "everybody was insane." She's from San Pedro, "where everybody cruises." She went to New York when Miss Christine moved in with Tony Melendy, a Santa Monica sculptor. For a while she was in art school somewhere, and finally she found her way to Tom Mix's old house in Laurel Canyon. At that time, Carl Orestes Franzoni ("he is freaky right down to his toenails," Zappa said on the liner notes of Freak Out) was living there in one of LA's wilder communes. (The house rents for $700 a month and later Zappa moved in, gathering his own commune to supplant that of Franzoni's.)

'''Miss Christine had been reunited with Sandra by now and they lived together in the vault in the basement of the house (right next to the bowling alley.)'''

Her "fave raves" are Bob Dylan and Calvin (who is the artist Zappa uses for all advertising and album cover art).

-Rolling Stone - February 15th 1969

--[[User:Tonefish|Tonefish]] 08:34, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

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-He says the girls were there but no mention of them (or anyone else) living in the vaults - maybe they slept in their once or twice.
+He says the girls were there but no mention of them (or anyone else) living in the vaults - maybe they slept in there once or twice.
 [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] 09:35, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
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 '''PS:''' Forgot to mention I had been toying with the notion of a CC, regarding Frka in basement/'crypt' of Log Cabin and her crawling out of crypt on Hot Rats, along with Rectory Basements...etc. I'll put that aside for now! --[[User:Tonefish|Tonefish]] 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

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	So, the moral of this is to watch out for apocryphal entries... even in such 'trustworthy' publications as Rolling Stone. I suppose it depends on how I 'couch' the 'facts' in my uploads?... characters in Zappa's world do have opinions that I think need to be expressed (by articles) from time to time for readership- otherwise the wiki might as well use the entire 'Zappa Bible'- enabling viewers to form opinions. I get your drift though. (For my own benefit I'm trying to put together a Timeline of fringe characters surrounding the Zappa scene '68 - '71. As you know, its hard sorting the tales from the facts. I think the Rolling Stone writer has 'coloured' the article and, as there's no timeframe regarding his notes of the interview, it's likely they were in the basement (of her "quote") in the commune era of Franzoni/Petrakis and he slipped it forward to the Zappa period by which time they were all weeded out- leaving Frka as nanny). Thanks for your help & ever-present wisdom --[[User:Tonefish\|Tonefish]] 13:16, 30 May 2008 (PDT)		So, the moral of this is to watch out for apocryphal entries... even in such 'trustworthy' publications as Rolling Stone. I suppose it depends on how I 'couch' the 'facts' in my uploads?... characters in Zappa's world do have opinions that I think need to be expressed (by articles) from time to time for readership- otherwise the wiki might as well use the entire 'Zappa Bible'- enabling viewers to form opinions. I get your drift though. (For my own benefit I'm trying to put together a Timeline of fringe characters surrounding the Zappa scene '68 - '71. As you know, its hard sorting the tales from the facts. I think the Rolling Stone writer has 'coloured' the article and, as there's no timeframe regarding his notes of the interview, it's likely they were in the basement (of her "quote") in the commune era of Franzoni/Petrakis and he slipped it forward to the Zappa period by which time they were all weeded out- leaving Frka as nanny). Thanks for your help & ever-present wisdom --[[User:Tonefish\|Tonefish]] 13:16, 30 May 2008 (PDT)
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		+	'''PS:''' Forgot to mention I had been toying with the notion of a CC, regarding Frka in basement/'crypt' of Log Cabin and her crawling out of crypt on Hot Rats, along with Rectory Basements...etc. I'll put that aside for now! --[[User:Tonefish\|Tonefish]] 13:30, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

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		+	So, the moral of this is to watch out for apocryphal entries... even in such 'trustworthy' publications as Rolling Stone. I suppose it depends on how I 'couch' the 'facts' in my uploads?... characters in Zappa's world do have opinions that I think need to be expressed (by articles) from time to time for readership- otherwise the wiki might as well use the entire 'Zappa Bible'- enabling viewers to form opinions. I get your drift though. (For my own benefit I'm trying to put together a Timeline of fringe characters surrounding the Zappa scene '68 - '71. As you know, its hard sorting the tales from the facts. I think the Rolling Stone writer has 'coloured' the article and, as there's no timeframe regarding his notes of the interview, it's likely they were in the basement (of her "quote") in the commune era of Franzoni/Petrakis and he slipped it forward to the Zappa period by which time they were all weeded out- leaving Frka as nanny). Thanks for your help & ever-present wisdom --[[User:Tonefish\|Tonefish]] 13:16, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

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		+	It's a good story.
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		+	Zappa said:
		+	<blockquote>
		+	The living room was seventy-five by thirty feet, with a huge fireplace. Close to a dozen people, mostly
		+	employees, lived there. The rent was seven hundred dollars a month.
		+	Cal Schenkel had his own little art department in one wing of the house. In the basement was a one-lane
		+	bowling alley and enough space for the band to rehearse. It had two walk-in safes -- like bank vaults --
		+	and a subbasement which had probably been a wine cellar. It was rustic and decrepit; it really looked like
		+	an old-time log cabin, with rough-hewn wood, bristling with splinters.
		+	</blockquote>
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		+	He says the girls were there but no mention of them (or anyone else) living in the vaults - maybe they slept in their once or twice.
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		+	[[User:Duncan\|Duncan]] 09:35, 29 May 2008 (PDT)