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 [[File:Lonesome Cowboy Burt.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Jimmy Carl Black as ''Lonesome Cowboy Burt'' in ''200 Motels''.]]
-In 1969, Zappa disbanded The Mothers. Black did perform on later Zappa albums, though. In ''[[200 Motels]]'', he played the character [[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]] and sings the self-titled song both on the album and in the film, ''[[200 Motels (The Film)]]'' (1971). He is also directly mentioned during the songs ''[[This Town Is A Sealed Tuna Sandwich'' and ''[[The Sealed Tuna Bolero]]'': ''" It's just a rancid little snack in a [[plastic]] bag from a matron in La Habra with a blown-out crack WHO DIES TO SUCK THE FRINGE OFF OF JIMMY CARL BLACK!"''
+In 1969, Zappa disbanded The Mothers. Black did perform on later Zappa albums, though. In ''[[200 Motels]]'', he played the character [[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]] and sings the self-titled song both on the album and in the film, ''[[200 Motels (The Film)]]'' (1971). He is also directly mentioned during the songs ''[[This Town Is A Sealed Tuna Sandwich]]'' and ''[[The Sealed Tuna Bolero]]'': ''" It's just a rancid little snack in a [[plastic]] bag from a matron in La Habra with a blown-out crack WHO DIES TO SUCK THE FRINGE OFF OF JIMMY CARL BLACK!"''
 On ''[[You Are What You Is]]'' (1981), Black sings on the tracks  ''[[Harder Than Your Husband]]'', ''[[Goblin Girl]]'', ''[[Beauty Knows No Pain]]'', ''[[The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing]]'', ''[[Dumb All Over]]'' and ''[[I Don't Wanna Get Drafted]]''. <ref>https://www.donlope.net/fz/notes/You_Are_What_You_Is.html#Harder</ref>

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 [[File:Lonesome Cowboy Burt.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Jimmy Carl Black as ''Lonesome Cowboy Burt'' in ''200 Motels''.]]
-In 1969, Zappa disbanded The Mothers. Black did perform on later Zappa albums, though. In ''[[200 Motels]]'', he played the character [[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]] and sings the self-titled song both on the album and in the film, ''[[200 Motels (The Film)]]'' (1971).
+In 1969, Zappa disbanded The Mothers. Black did perform on later Zappa albums, though. In ''[[200 Motels]]'', he played the character [[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]] and sings the self-titled song both on the album and in the film, ''[[200 Motels (The Film)]]'' (1971). He is also directly mentioned during the songs ''[[This Town Is A Sealed Tuna Sandwich'' and ''[[The Sealed Tuna Bolero]]'': ''" It's just a rancid little snack in a [[plastic]] bag from a matron in La Habra with a blown-out crack WHO DIES TO SUCK THE FRINGE OFF OF JIMMY CARL BLACK!"''
 On ''[[You Are What You Is]]'' (1981), Black sings on the tracks  ''[[Harder Than Your Husband]]'', ''[[Goblin Girl]]'', ''[[Beauty Knows No Pain]]'', ''[[The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing]]'', ''[[Dumb All Over]]'' and ''[[I Don't Wanna Get Drafted]]''. <ref>https://www.donlope.net/fz/notes/You_Are_What_You_Is.html#Harder</ref>

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 [[image:JCB.jpeg|right|thumb|500px|Jimmy Carl Black]]
-'''Jimmy Carl Black''' (born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas - 31 October 2008) was drummer, percussionist, trumpeter and occasional singer for [[Frank Zappa]]'s [[The Mothers]].
+'''Jimmy Carl Black''' (born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in [[El Paso]], Texas - 31 October 2008) was drummer, percussionist, trumpeter and occasional singer for [[Frank Zappa]]'s [[The Mothers]].
 ==Biography==

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-[[image:JCB.jpeg|right|thumb|250px|Jimmy Carl Black]]
+[[image:JCB.jpeg|right|thumb|500px|Jimmy Carl Black]]
-'''Jimmy Carl Black''' (born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas - 31 October 2008). Drums, percussion, trumpet.
+'''Jimmy Carl Black''' (born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas - 31 October 2008) was drummer, percussionist, trumpeter and occasional singer for [[Frank Zappa]]'s [[The Mothers]].
-*The Keys - '''Stretch Pants''' / '''A Matter of Time''' - Ultimate Records (1962)
+==Biography==
-He was the drummer for the original [[The Mothers|Mothers Of Invention]] line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal (on ''[[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]]'') for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the [[200 Motels]] release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases
+Jimmy Carl Black was born in 1938 and of Cheyenne descent, coining his nickname ''The Indian of the Group''.
-==Jimmy Carl Black Played On==
+In 1959, he was singer and drummer in the group Them Three Guys. As a member of the group The Keys, he recorded the single ''Stretch Pants''/''A Matter of Time'' (Ultimate Records, 1962). <ref>https://www.jimmycarlblack.com/en/content/jimmy-carl-black</ref> He also played drums and provided vocals as a member of The [[Soul Giants]].
 *[[Freak Out!]]
 *[[Absolutely Free]]
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 *[[Joe's Corsage]]
-A bet between Jimmy Carl Black and [[Bunk Gardner]] about Gardner showing his ass on the tour bus inspired the title of ''[[A Pound For A Brown On The Bus]]''.<ref>http://donlope.net/fz/notes/Uncle_Meat.html#Pound</ref>
+==Post-Zappa career==
-As of 2004, Jimmy was singing for the UK tribute band [[The Muffin Men]] at an age of 66. [[Don Preston]] and Jimmy Carl Black performed on [[Eugene Chadbourne]]'s albums ''10 Most Wanted'' (1993) and ''Locked in a Dutch Coffeeshop'' (1994).
+Jimmy Carl Black passed away in 2008. He has been subject of a musical album, ''[[The Jimmy Carl Black Story]]'' (2008), inspired by Black's life, recorded by [[Jon Larsen]] (on whose album ''Strange News From Mars'', 2007, Black also performed previously). A documentary, ''Where's the Beer and When Do We Get Paid?'' (2013), and a memoir, ''For Mother's Sake'' (2013), published by his widow Monika Black, are also available.
 ==Interviews==
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 * ''[[Jimmy Carl Black Interview, 91-5]]''
 * ''[[Texan Grandmother In Interview Shock Horror]]'' (1993)
 ==External links==
 * [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carl Black]]
 [[Category:Bandmembers|Black, Jimmy Carl]]
 [[Category:Singers|Black, Jimmy Carl]]
 [[Category:The Real Frank Zappa Book (The List)|Black, Jimmy Carl]]
 [[Category:We're Only In It For the Money (The List)|Black]]

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 *The Keys - '''Stretch Pants''' / '''A Matter of Time''' - Ultimate Records (1962)
-He was the drummer for the original [[The Mothers|Mothers Of Invention]] line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal (on [[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]]) for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the [[200 Motels]] release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases
+He was the drummer for the original [[The Mothers|Mothers Of Invention]] line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal (on ''[[Lonesome Cowboy Burt]]'') for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the [[200 Motels]] release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases
 ==Jimmy Carl Black Played On==
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 As of 2004, Jimmy was singing for the UK tribute band [[The Muffin Men]] at an age of 66. [[Don Preston]] and Jimmy Carl Black performed on [[Eugene Chadbourne]]'s albums ''10 Most Wanted'' (1993) and ''Locked in a Dutch Coffeeshop'' (1994).
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	A bet between Jimmy Carl Black and [[Bunk Gardner]] about Gardner showing his ass on the tour bus inspired the title of ''[[A Pound For A Brown On The Bus]]''.<ref>http://donlope.net/fz/notes/Uncle_Meat.html#Pound</ref>		A bet between Jimmy Carl Black and [[Bunk Gardner]] about Gardner showing his ass on the tour bus inspired the title of ''[[A Pound For A Brown On The Bus]]''.<ref>http://donlope.net/fz/notes/Uncle_Meat.html#Pound</ref>

−	As of 2004, Jimmy was singing for the UK tribute band [[The Muffin Men]] at an age of 66. [[Don Preston]] and Jimmy Carl Black performed on [[Eugene Chadbourne]]]'s albums ''10 Most Wanted'' (1993) and ''Locked in a Dutch Coffeeshop'' (1994).	+	As of 2004, Jimmy was singing for the UK tribute band [[The Muffin Men]] at an age of 66. [[Don Preston]] and Jimmy Carl Black performed on [[Eugene Chadbourne]]'s albums ''10 Most Wanted'' (1993) and ''Locked in a Dutch Coffeeshop'' (1994).

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 As of 2004, Jimmy was singing for the UK tribute band [[The Muffin Men]] at an age of 66. [[Don Preston]] and Jimmy Carl Black performed on [[Eugene Chadbourne]]]'s albums ''10 Most Wanted'' (1993) and ''Locked in a Dutch Coffeeshop'' (1994).
-From the "biographical trivia" section on the [[Freak Out!]] (1966) album: ''... Moved into my [[PAL Recording Studio | recording studio]], joined forces with [[Ray Collins | Ray]], [[Jimmy Carl Black | Jim]] and [[Roy Estrada | Roy]], schemed and plotted for a year, working in beer joints, blah, blah, starved a lot, etc... played a lot of freaky music & stayed vastly unpopular (though notorious). OWE OUR EXISTENCE to [[Mark Cheka]] for his initial encouragement and sterling example (and to a whole bunch of other people who are going to be bugged because their names aren't listed in detail, with addresses and pertinent facts about what they like about the government & their other fetishes). [[Ray Collins | Ray]] used to be a carpenter and a bartender and sing with [[Little Julian Herrera and the Tigers | Little Julian Herrera & The Tigers]] (note the falsetto part in 'I REMEMBER LINDA')... been singing R&B for ten to twelve years. [[Jimmy Carl Black | Jim]] got fired from some idiot band in Kansas, forcing him to move to [[California]]. Lucky for us. Seems he just couldn't get turned on playing "[[Louie Louie | Louie, Louie]]" all night... it must have hurt him deeply when they rejected him. [[Roy Estrada | Roy]] is an asthmatic [[Pachuco]], good-natured excellent bass player, involved in the R&B scene here for about ten years. He is unbelievably tolerant. I don't understand it. [[Elliot Ingber | Elliot]] digs the blues. He has a big dimple in his chin. We made him grow beard to cover it up. He just got out of the Army. Lucky for the Army. THEY ARE ALL MUSICIANS.''
+From the "biographical trivia" section on the [[Freak Out!]] (1966) album: ''... Moved into my [[PAL Recording Studio | recording studio]], joined forces with [[Ray Collins | Ray]], [[Jimmy Carl Black | Jim]] and [[Roy Estrada | Roy]], schemed and plotted for a year, working in beer joints, blah, blah, starved a lot, etc... played a lot of freaky music & stayed vastly unpopular (though notorious). OWE OUR EXISTENCE to [[Mark Cheka]] for his initial encouragement and sterling example (and to a whole bunch of other people who are going to be bugged because their names aren't listed in detail, with addresses and pertinent facts about what they like about the government & their other fetishes). [[Ray Collins | Ray]] used to be a carpenter and a bartender and sing with [[Little Julian Herrera and the Tigers | Little Julian Herrera & The Tigers]] (note the falsetto part in 'I REMEMBER LINDA')... been singing R&B for ten to twelve years. [[Jimmy Carl Black | Jim]] got fired from some idiot band in Kansas, forcing him to move to [[California]]. Lucky for us. Seems he just couldn't get turned on playing "[[Louie Louie | Louie, Louie]]" all night... it must have hurt him deeply when they rejected him. [[Roy Estrada | Roy]] is an asthmatic [[Wikipedia:Pachuco|Pachuco]], good-natured excellent bass player, involved in the R&B scene here for about ten years. He is unbelievably tolerant. I don't understand it. [[Elliot Ingber | Elliot]] digs the blues. He has a big dimple in his chin. We made him grow beard to cover it up. He just got out of the Army. Lucky for the Army. THEY ARE ALL MUSICIANS.''
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